Talk:Tremseh massacre
Thanks, CE, for starting this. Will be adding, but not soon, FYI. --Caustic Logic 20:45, 13 July 2012 (EST)
Sources
- Syria forces seize Israel-made arms from rebels: Report – PressTV, Jul 12, 2012 11:21PM GMT
- The Truth of Al-Tremseh Massacre Told by its Residents – Friends of Syria, July 13, 2012
- حقيقة قتلى معركة التريمسة في ريف حماة (Fact killed in the battle Altrimssh Hama) – YouTube video, published on Jul 13, 2012 by Hassan79855
- Commentary on video by Syrian Youths English
- This is a video from the "Tremesh Massacre" from Hama yesterday the opposition filmed: http://youtu.....be/pGmvXJTgrPk
- 3 militants were identified from the footage as being FSA militia killed following clashes with army forces.
- SNN (opposition news source) also confirms many of the dead in the village of Tremesh are indeed FSA rebels.
- Commentary on video by Syrian Youths English
- Syrian army attack on Tremseh condemned by world leaders – BBC, 13 July 2012
- British Civilians for Peace in Libya on Facebook:
- Now the BBC is backtracking on its initial incendiary reporting. It now says: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18838825
- Up to 200 people are reported to have died in an army attack on the village, which would make it the bloodiest single event in the Syrian conflict.
- However, reports suggest that a large number of the casualties were rebel fighters.
- The Syrian army admitted killing a "big number of terrorists" but no civilians.
- British Civilians for Peace in Libya on Facebook:
- Syrian Armed Groups Admit Participation in Massacre – Prensa Latina, 14 de julio de 2012
- Syria Clarifies Situation about Alleged Massacre – Prensa Latina, 15 de julio de 2012
-- Petri Krohn 11:33, 14 July 2012 (EST)
- Video: "Witness" Abu An-Nasr reports to Al-Jazeera 150 dead, 300 wounded, WHERE IS THE WORLD!!!!1
- Video: The Truth according to Addounia TV "Terrorists" confess, get payed, were joined by foreign fighters, Army came after them, huge stack of weapons confiscated
- same "terrorists" among seven caught witnesses interviewed/reported by ANNA-News, translated to German here, I suspect it'll be on syrianews.cc in English soon...
- Another article: http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Latest-News-Wires/2012/0713/Massacre-in-Tremseh-Syrians-deny-it-but-evidence-mounts --Caustic Logic 22:05, 20 July 2012 (EST)
I created a space on the main page for unsorted -sorry I messed it up earlier. This would've been better. Other new sections, feel free to copy things into them, or refine them further. On the name confusion, massacre, killings, operation, battle... The first thing they said, the branding they were going for until reality got in the way, is the same as always. This is another "massacre," here clearly deserving the quotes. But I prefer keeping that word, in quotes, and letting the page both remind readers what it started as, by pure habit perhaps, as well as what it seems to be.
- Saw your changes and thought about renaming the page but I completely agree, it's a good lesson about the spin put on everything Syria. Will write something about the arrested "terrorists" soon. --CE 19:37, 17 July 2012 (EST)
- I suggest quotes at top too, if that can be done without making a new page. It looks dumb, but that is corrected right after the title, so whichever. Great work on the arrestees - passport mysteries, pictures to with them, names, details - this is now the page for the Eastern views on it, and I didn't have to read or translate a thing. I'm just adding odds and ends from English sources, nothing heavy.
VDC Database
This might deserve a section before summary. This page never did get too crowded yet. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC) All Tremseh martyrs July 12 = 63 Notes: "In the Tremseh massacre, where the village was intensely shelled followed by attack by Shabiha, which resulted in the martyrdom of tens due to shelling or public execution"
56 of 63 are listed as adult males, any number of these being the described fighters who lost that day. But only one rebel is listed for July 12: Ahmad Hajak, FSA I think (Lieutenant/ Battalion Alb Arsalan). One more rebel is listed as dying the next day in Tremseh. The rest of the men are listed as local civilians - none a fighter, none from elsewhere. From: show all, martyred in: Tremseh: VDC confirms one non-local killed - the mentioned Ahmad Hajak, hailing from nearby Hama: Aqraba. Certainly no foreigners, among those who died, and got mentioned here. The death toll does seem substantially lower than it should be. And some of them likely are local civilians killed at home. There's moderate family clustering, which could happen with brothers in the same rebel group, or brothers taken by rebels from their homes. Names = Shaman x 3, Darwish x 3, Shbat x3, Najm x 3, al-Kharashi x 2, Satouf al-Harmalawi x 3...
Wife of Faruq al-Bakour, not of Mohammad Bakour. Zero girls, six boys, aged 17, 16, 13, 13, 12, 6. Mainly, fighting-age males were killed. Other women, teenage girls, younger children may have been overcome too but spared death.
Of possible note: three men from Souran (20-25 km due east) died the day before (the only 3 from Hama recorded dying that day) - kidnapping - execution. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:00, 5 January 2014 (UTC)