External Sites & Discussion
- Could there be a grain of truth in the Ukrainian propaganda? (repost with new introduction) -The Saker, December 29, 2016
Posting it mostly to disagree with the bullet points (the bulk of the material is quite often raised, along similar lines, in Ukrainian and Russian sources, including maps and graphics, with arguments going back and forth, both ways)
This is some talk about some mythological 'Russia' , separate from either the people or the state, but which is different from 'Europe' , as if there is such monolithic identity, outside of Brussels and Eurovision festival. Yes, Rus' was an ancestor, with present day Russia, Ukraine, Belarus' the descendant nations, whose particular representatives occasionally quarrel about the birthright or brotherhood. Roman, or rather Byzantine empire? Well, yes, there was some interaction. But,-- beyond Rus' adopting the Eastern Orthodox version of Christianity as a result (under Vladimir the Great, around 988 C.E.), --- the claim, enshrined in "Russia is the third Rome, and there will be no further Romes any more", is essentially mythological.
- Orthodox faith? Yes and no, some 70-80 % associate themselves with Christianity, although mostly in some loose sense of it, like a prevailing mode, customs followed in celebrations and life events, but without really going deeply into old Schisms, or fine point of the creed, and rarely with deep religious devotion. Yes, it colors it somewhat, with a hue not exactly like in France or Italy, etc; but Europeans are not alike among themselves too; so this is again mostly a mythological posture. And what do you do with the remaining 20-30% who do not associate themselves with Orthodox Christianity? They are then not 'Russia'? And where does this all lead ?
- ...Tatar-Mongols politically... Well, OK as a self-assurance on the own perceived ancestory, but quite mythological overall again. There were all sorts of rulers, Rus' princes, Mongols, foreigners called to govern, Peter the Great-a pro Western reformer, sequence of Tsars with lots of European blood in the veins, Bolsheviks, Stalin, etc, all the way to the presidents of modern Russia. All of them were quite different, and everything left some impact . Yeltsin rule was strongly pro-Western, not pro-Mongol; it did not quite worked in detail, but the current elites are mostly the same as in his days, with the Western consumerism and mostly Western attitude. Putin inspirations are in part the same, and the rest is possibly Eastern Germany; not sure what Tatar-Mongols would have to do with it. He and his team are from the 'window to Europe' city of St. Petersburg, not from the Sarai of the Golden Horde. This is all wrong and Genghis Khan (with a Cross?) is the way? Donnknow, there is no defined content apart from mythology, as far as I am concerned.--Resup (talk) 01:21, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
Heroes of the Soviet Union, by Nationality
- One of the versions here, attributed to writer Gennady Ovrutskii.