Talk:Maidan snipers/Suspects

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One O'Clock Sniper

There's the apparently caught-red-handed by 1:15 PM sniper. "EuroMaidan twitter reports that members of Maidan Self-Defense captured one one of the snipers. He is currently in Maidan headquarters."[1] Maidan HQ location unclear. No word about that prisoner I'm aware of since then. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I found a few sources on this, in Ukrainian. Mainly they add that little was known. They don't go forward far in time - Feb. 20.

"Soldiers Square self (Maidan Self-defense) caught one of the snipers. This was reported in the "Twitter" Yevromaydanu. "Caught sniper. He's headquarters," - said in a statement. Currently, the event details are not reported. However komentant Square (?) Stephen Kubiv could not neither confirm nor deny this information. "I'm 20 minutes ago was still at headquarters, but I have no such information. Never been able to neither confirm nor deny," - he said Espreso.TV.
  • fakty.ictv.ua - contains an image of a man on a roof that's possibly relevant, more likely recycled rubbish. "On the Square caught Sniper Soldiers Square self caught one of the snipers Reported in "Twitter" Yevromaydanu. "Caught sniper. He's headquarters." At present, the details of the events are not reported."

--Caustic Logic (talk) 11:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

On March 1, there was twist reported, and that sniper mentioned again, with another, in passing.

  • http://portal.lviv.ua/news/2014/03/01/112412.html - Cited: "Anatoly Bear" = Анатолій Ведмідь. "According to our information , they are paid for each victim. A day of " hired sniper "allegedly worth $ 40 thousand ," - he added. He said attempts to catch the snipers , but whether they were successful, he would not comment . Centurion Volyn hundreds (?) explained that maydanivtsi caught two snipers. However, their fate , he said nothing."
On their identities too he apparently said nothing.
He said that attempts were made to catch the snipers , but whether they were successful, he would not comment . Centurion Volyn hundreds explained that maydanivtsi caught two snipers. However, their fate , he said nothing. There were snipers allegedly from self-defense, security officials reported . At least two, and probably at the time they served in the Soviet army in Afghanistan. However, most samooboronivtsi (self-defense members) deny this information .
!! --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


Also some sources saying two sniper might mean this One O'Clock Sniper plus the dusk sniper (or stand-in). Possibly was wrong to say they never caught him. Two English tweets to add, both should have been found sooner, and will be noted in the right spots:

‏:@Yaro_RT

Protesters frisking the Hotel Ukraina room looking for a sniper http://instagram.com/p/kpdJ4ICbjL/
They searched his room for a sniper? Like, under the bed and stuff? The photo isn't coming up. Hopefully he still has a copy and I could ask him on Twitter.  --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
Sniper was caught on the 10th floor of the Hotel Ukraina on #Euromaidan Personality to be identified.
From my count, the dusk sniper should have been on the 11th floor. Coming the morning after, this could refer to either of the two - the high 10/11-ish floor could be a coincidence and they refer to the earlier catch, but the later one is a bit more clearly suggested. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Other Snipers Found in the Park

Another in the vein of Vasilko, same day. Sniper caught in Kiev 22.02.2014 Euromaidan 12:46 A strong-faced tough guy in a park, Marinskyi, I guess, surrounded by a group of 1-2 dozen thugs and people, one at least with a bat, go through everything he apparently had on him. guy had in his poclets - cash, credit cards shown up close, an ID card saying Sergey Panjkov. He tus at his long-sleeved shirt at one point, as if prparing to bare his shoulder for the tattoo. A Feb. 24 side-source mentions "Detained activists Self person Sergey Pankov (presumably - sniper), together with Mikhail Sapova working on gang "titushkis", which is led by Alexey Chebotarev, it became known from informed sources." Titushkis, I hear, are alleged pro-government thugs, bussed in to Mariinskyi park - imported thugs with bats, just like the ones the coalition turned loose. Another ambiguous and interchangeable lynch mob smear besides Berkut and sniper. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Russian-trained killers

According to Dr. Olga Bogomolets, a Maidan leader and a candidate in Ukraine’s slated May presidential elections, the photographs shown to her by The Daily Beast provide unique insight into what took place on February 20. She argues they cast doubt on an official investigation currently underway into the events of that day, which was ordered by the country’s interim government and is being conducted jointly by the new head of the SBU, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, along with the prosecutor general’s office. The SBU failed to respond to phone and email requests for a meeting with Nalyvaichenko to discuss the substantial photographic material.
We have demanded an independent and transparent investigation into who was involved in the crimes that took place and we are very worried that the people who are investigating are members of the bodies responsible for the shootings,” says Bogomolets. Bogomolets, a physician who was nicknamed by Maidan protesters the “White Angel” because of her ministrations to the wounded in Independence Square, was on her way to visit the grave of her mother that morning to mark the first anniversary of her death. When phone calls alerted her to the start of the carnage she sped to the Maidan instead.

Unknown American

"An American man, apparently a hired sniper, angry & drunk, was recorded live on a Russian online chat platform. He is brandishing on the camera his weapons, a sniper professional, military-grade rifle with a telescope plus another old military rifle. At about 3:00 he starts talking, making it clear that he is, indeed, American. He also shows his good knowledge of both Russian & Ukrainian. He continues cursing Putin, being especially fond of the F-You sign. He also keeps repeating the slogan of the Right Sector: 'Slava Ukrainie.' He is also showing various items as if to prove that he is still, indeed, somewhere in Ukraine." (source) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

This comment on VK from March 11, 2014 has information about the the identity of "Pashka921". -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Mark Paslavsky

The video of the #unknown American has long gone offline but does the guy have any resemblance to the US / Ukraine Nazi Mark "Franko" Paslawsky just killed in Ilovaisk? What really needs investigating is if Paslawsky (bruce springnote @BSpringnote on Twitter) was on Maidan on February 20th. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 15:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC) ... more

Yes, he was, right where and when the snipers shot from: see File:Instytutska_via_bruce_springnote.jpg -- Petri Krohn (talk) 09:16, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S. – More on Paslawsky here: -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

Петр Барладин

Suspect: Петр Барладин: www.odnoklassniki...ru/profile/130429955908

Mercenaries commanded by Andriy Parubiy

In an interview with vesti.ru (German translation), the former head of SBU Oleksandr Yakymenko, who managed to flee because "I'm a secret service guy", tells a quite detailed story. According to him there were 20 mercenaries, partly former Ukrainian Secret Service, partly foreign, in the Philharmony building which he says was controlled by Parubiy's guys. It's apparently here a bit off of Maidan to the north-west, although wikipedia says there are two buildings. He says those guys started to target the special service guys who fled in panic. Our "Berkut" in front of Oktober Palace, I would deduce. Maybe those early news about people shooting from "the conservatory" really meant the philharmony? Or the writer of the article got that wrong here? Anyway, Yakymenko says that there were actually two groups of 10 people, and one changed position into the Hotel Ukraine while his guys lost track of the other group. He also says that "Right Sector" and "Svoboda" activists both asked him to take those snipers out, therefore being not in on the plot. On the other hand, he accuses a couple of people being in on it, "it" also being allowing the SBU to be infiltrated by the CIA. This includes two SBU guys Gwodz and Malamusch and his successor leading SBU now, Nalyvaichenko. Also the oligarch Poroshenko and the former Minster of Defense Anatoliy Hrytsenko. Maybe to be taken with a grain of salt given who he is, but interesting enough to "paraphrase" it here - it will certainly make the rounds in Russia. --CE (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

English translation of the interview over at RT, original video on youtube. --CE (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
See above - Petri already added the story. I had some doubts, but it is detailed, and I missed some of the details in a quick read. Mainly I just can't see Right Sector asking the government, who they were overthrowing, to get rid of snipers who were helping. Even if they weren't in on it, couldn't they deduce this was part of their thing? Or a government thing the government wouldn't stop? Or were they inviting this Alpha Team into a trap? Why didn't Parubiy play along then? It's weird. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Actually if you look harder I beat Petri 50 minutes to it. ;o) --CE (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Whatever, sorry. Continuing the doubt, let me speculate this is Yakymenko's way of buttering up everyone but a main target. Maybe Parubiy really is a maniac bent on starting WWIII/WWIIV now (?). He'd need taking out. You might suggest that "hey, I know everyone else wasn't in on it/regretted being in on it, had asked/would ask for my held flushing out Parubiy and his snipers," etc. The rest of the story could still be level. And even that could well be as he says, I don't know. As for the philharmonic, if we have the right locale, it could keep the roof of the October Palace, and maybe its flanks, free of Berkut. But it couldn't do much else, I think. He says half of them went to the hotel? Okay then, I need to catch up or something...--Caustic Logic (talk) 11:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I just tweeted to Hillary and Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt that I believe the hotel rooms used by the Maidan snipers were paid by their credit cards. It now gets even weirder: -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Interesting tweet to say the least. Just to be clear, that's total speculation, right? It's not clear here if the "commandant" is Parubiy, but sounds like it. It says little. --Caustic Logic (talk)
Yes, total speculation, vile provocation, but based on an educated guess. As we saw in the Ghouta CW attack, it does not matter if the ugly details come out later, as long as the attack achieves its objectives. NATO has total control over the media anyway. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Protesters and law enforcers during Kiev’s recent unrest were shot at from the office of so-called “Maidan’s commandant”, Russia’s UN envoy Vitaly Churkin told the UN Security Council.
According to the latest information available the shots were fired from the office of so-called “Maidan commandant”, the man who now leads the UN Security Council, Churkin said.

Who now leads what? I guess it means the "security" job he now holds in Ukraine? Anyway, I wonder if there's any info around on where his office was in the hotel? I heard of rooftop firing, but the massacre of activists portion was probably done from a window (or more than one, maybe), as I noted the one direction that's best suggested is in the west half of the hotel, and I think not too high up. Maybe about the exact direction that ironic kid looked just as he was shot. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Parubiy blames Russian "Spetsnaz" snipers, implicates himself. --Caustic Logic (talk) 09:10, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Translated to Italian already! Pretty heavily tweeted too. --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
Great, congratulations. I think it's well written and very concise. Interesting outlet as well. Hope it will lead to some questions being asked - to real people. :o) --CE (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Investigation panel led by Andriy Parubiy

German Handelsblatt reports on March 13 (spotted and translated by Woody Box):

Last week the new pro-west Ukranian government announced an investigation of the shootings by a parliamentary commission. The panel would be staffed with representatives of all fractions, a speaker said. International experts, Physicians, ballisticians and eyewitnesses would be interviewed. The head of the National Security Council, Andrej Parubiy, has been picked as the leader of the panel.

This needs corroboration but Handelsblatt is a serious (economics) paper and the author a serious journalist. I hope you can make this stuff up, right? --CE (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Wow, that sounds not made up, because it makes so much sense. Consider Yakymenko's accusation supported by this. Could use more detail eventually but for now a good last minute add for my video. Will be back. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Andriy Parubiy?

  • NEWS FLASH: – AJSB @A_J_S_B on Twitter, 30 June 2014
UNCONFIRMED plan in March to "prove" Russia weapons supply with FORGED EVIDENCE (3rd pic to compare sig).
Security and Defense Council document signed by Parubiy

Aid to Arsen Avakov?

The mystery with a sniper rifle Sergei Pashinsky goes back to Arsen Avakov.
Sergei Pashinsky probably have something to hide?
Why have police and the Security Service, a year later, did not find the people who were in the car and took out a rifle? And in fact - these are the same people who brought her there and in the government district, across from the square.
It all started with a call colleague Yuri Sobolty. He identified a man with a yellow hooded special forces "Bars" MIA of Ukraine 2009-2010 year. Yuri remembered him as a man who loves sniper weapon when I saw it on the frame was very surprised. It took a few days to get through social networks and some sources to find out the whole picture of what is happening and to identify all persons involved in this rifle February 18, 2014 on the street. The institute's. Today it is very fashionable to inform about all the activities in the Ministry of Internal Affairs "Facebook". One of those who are actively engaged in this - a certain Yuri Sobolta. If you look carefully, it is possible to easily recognize the mysterious driver in a dark jacket with yellow unfolded hood that the company carried away by unknown persons with a sniper rifle in the "Honda".

UNA-UNSO

See also: Talk:Unseen_Snipers_in_the_Syrian_Conflict#Vilnius_1991

The Wikipedia article on UNA-UNSO says that "on January 11, 1991 squads of UNS headed by Yuriy Tyma guarded the Seimas Palace during the January Events in Lithuania." It has been suggested that UNA-UNSO were in fact the snipers in the "January Events". If so, this would also make UNA-UNSO a prime suspect for the Maidan massacre. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:00, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Arseniy Yatsenyuk

Arseniy Yatsenyuk testing a 12.7 mm sniper rifle in 2014
The Russian investigators have questions to the Ukrainian citizens Dmytro Korchinsky, Ihor Mazur, Valery Bobrovich of the UNA-UNSO, the leader of the Right Sector Dmytro Yarosh, the leader of the Svoboda Party Oleh Tiahnybok and his brother Andriy in connection with the war in Chechnya in 1994-1995, according to Bastrykin’s interview with Rossiyskaya Gazeta, Ukrainska Pravda reported.
"The investigation also found that at the time, Arseniy Yatsenyuk fought by their side against the Russian military as part of Argo punitive group, and later - Viking, led by Oleksandr Muzychko," said Bastrykin.
"According to the investigation, Yatsenyuk took part in at least two of the armed confrontations that took place on December 31, 1994, on the Minutka square in Grozny and in February, 1995, outside the city hospital 9 in Grozny; as well as in torture and executions of prisoners," he said.

Komsomolskaya Pravda speculates that Yatsenyuk may have acted as a sniper while serving in Chechniya. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2015 (UTC)

Right Sector

Svoboda party vice chairmen

Search warrant (page 2)
Maidan massacre bombshell: Several deputies of Svoboda leader are investigated in suspicion for their involvement in the Maidan massacre on February 20, 2014. A court order authorizing their searchers finally reveals that Maidan snipers, who shot at the BBC crew and the Maidan protesters from the 11th floor at the Hotel Ukraina and were filmed by both BBC and ICTV, were based at the hotel room located right next to the hotel room of the former head of the Lviv Regional Council and one of Svoboda leaders. Another deputy Svoboda leader lived in the hotel room used by these Maidan snipers. My APSA paper presented evidence of the Svoboda leadership involvement in the Maidan massacre. The Svoboda leader and 112 channel journalists attacked me for stating in a 112 TV channel interview of the need for the Ukrainian media to reveal actual perpetrators of the Maidan massacre.
My APSA paper (p. 57) presented evidence that the hotels rooms used by snipers were booked by Svoboda leaders, but there is still much more unrevealed in this story: "A Kyiv leader of the Patriot of Ukraine, a paramilitary wing of the Social National Assembly, stated on Facebook that he had a firsthand knowledge that the Maidan Self-Defense members stormed a suspected sniper’s room in the Hotel Ukraina. He said that the hotel staff told him that Svoboda deputies reserved hotel rooms on the upper floors of the hotel during the massacre and that this sniper was shooting from one of such rooms. He also alleged that Petro Poroshenko, one of the leaders of the Maidan opposition and the current President of Ukraine helped to whisk away this sniper, who used a name common in the Caucasus region. The BBC investigation report stated that courts blocked requests by lawyers of the Maidan massacre victims to obtain lists of people who booked these hotel rooms used by snipers."
The decision of the Pechersk court, which are governed by the security forces conducting a search of Oleg Pankevych.
Monday morning searches were conducted [in the homes of] the deputy head of the Svoboda Party Oleksandr Sych and Oleg Pankevych in Ivano-Frankivsk and Lviv region in Brody respectively.
Also held in Lviv searched the apartment where the registered deputy chairman of the Svoboda party leader Igor Yankiv court, said "Svoboda" in Twitter.
Aleksandr Aronets, spokesman of Svoboda in Kiev, reports [see below] that this morning there were raids against members of Svoboda, on suspicions of mass murder during the Maidan – murders that were attributed to “snipers of former President Yanukovitch” and to Berkut [the police]. Among the materials in the hands of investigators is a video [see below] where you see someone shoot from a window of the hotel “Ukraine” on Independence Square, protesters and police. The room in question (no. 1132) was occupied by the Svoboda deputy Oleg Pankevich.

Oleksandr Sych is a former Deputy Prime Minister of Ukraine. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:59, 13 October 2015 (UTC)

Snipers trained in Poland

He refers to Paet-Ashton leaked phone call. Seems to be a (rare) call for more responsible approach. Unclear whether he has more factual information (he might, as his contacts include Paet). --Resup (talk) 12:58, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Russian FoM: Russia expects from Europe an evaluation of this claim ("it was our job"-Korwin-Mikke) , and pressure on Kiev to conduct a genuine investigation of Maidan events -TASS--Resup (talk) 17:11, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Azarov's claims

  • Николай Азаров on Facebook February 21, 2017
    Post contains links to 12 YouTube videos and four other Ukrainian sources.
  • Azarov's Bombshell: Ukrainian Ex-PM Reveals Who Was Behind Maidan Sniper Deaths - Sputnik, February 22, 2017
    On the eve of the third anniversary of Yanukovych's ouster, Mykola Azarov, who served as Ukraine's prime minister until his resignation in January 2014, offered a grim reminder of who he firmly believes to have been responsible for the Maidan massacre.
    In a detailed post on his Facebook page on Tuesday, complete with photo and video evidence, Azarov dropped a bombshell, writing that "today we, and investigators in Kiev as well, have reliable information about the fact that the murders on the Maidan were carried out by special groups of snipers from Georgia, the Baltic countries and Poland, under the guidance of instructors from France and Germany." ...
    These groups, Azarov said, "were provided with cover and diversionary actions by shooters from the 'Maidan Self-Defense' group under the direction of [Andriy] Parubiy and [Serhiy] Pashinsky," the former now serving as speaker of Ukraine's parliament, and the latter an MP and former interim head of the presidential administration.
    Going into more detail, Azarov explained that "the Georgian group, consisting of 10 people, was placed in the Conservatory building [which overlooks Maidan Square]. The identities of three of them have been confirmed by photographs taken by Ukrainian Security Forces staff, and it has been established that they are Georgian nationals. On February 20, [2014] this group divided into two. One of them fired from the Conservatory Building, the other from the Hotel Ukraine Building.
    "It is also assumed that a third group of professional shooters was involved in the mass killings, who in the space of only 30 minutes shot over 50 people in cold blood from the building on Gorodetsky street and were immediately moved out of the area," the ex-politician added.

Georgians

South Ossetians

Vladimir Suchan translates on Facebook:

Interesting news about the Maidan snipers: What is the point of the Maidan snipers shooting the people if no one can take the pictures of the victims right at the moment of being shot? That's exactly how it was evidently planned (this reminds me of some the sniper shooting from Sarajevo--ordered for the camera at the right place and at the right moment). As it turns out, the one who was repeatedly filming the protesters of being shot in front of him is Atzamaz Kochiev (Ацамаз Кочиев), a former Moscow paparazzi, who now works for Life News. Moreover, it is now being reported that Kochiev and the junta's Minister of the Interior, Arsen Asakov, are close relatives--Asakov is Kochiev's uncle via his mother Tatiana Gabaraieva wjo, like Kochiev, is from South Ossetia.
The family is from the Znaur district. Anyone from the territory of South Ossetia can as well be pro-Saakashvili, anti-Russia as pro-Russia. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Saakashvili

Breaking news: From Georgia's military circles comes an announcement that four of the snipers that were active at Maidan are from Georgia, that their identities are now known, and that they are part of Sakashvilli's, Georgia's former president's special forces that were trained in part precisely for such missions. Investigation is on going, and official charges are being prepared.
Georgian general, former commander of the battalion "Avaz" ("Panther") Tsitelashvili Tristan said that he has evidence that the four acted on evromaydane Georgian sniper of the power structures that controlled the ex-Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili. PACE adopted a resolution which requires a "impartial investigation" of the use of snipers in the Maidan.

Kamens: "Mystery Solved"

Tsitelashvili claimed that at least four of the snipers shooting at people in Maidan Square were under the command of former Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili, who is doing his best to destabilise his own country, and others if necessary, to find a way back into power. ... This too has been confirmed by one of the snipers involved. He is currently in hiding, living without papers. He tells me that most of his colleagues have been terminated. Given what they might know, and what happens to those who know, I am inclined to believe him.

Facinating report, lots of details on the Georgia-terrorism connection and some bizarre episode from 2012 with Georgian-trained snipers offed (by the CIA? In northern Syria?) I don't understand. Supposedly connected to the Kiev snipers, but that link sounds speculative. Anyway, worth a look at least. --Caustic Logic (talk) 03:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

  • Lopota incident (wikipedia).
    There is a long-running problem of Chechen (Dagestani, Ingush) armed Islamists groups (by the time well-funded and employing foreign fighters) hiding in mountainous regions of Georgia (Pankisi Gorge is a well-known example) . Lopota is in the same overall area (map). In this instance, Saakashvili government apparently presented the incident as apprehension of a Russian invasion team; from the Russian perspective those were anti-Russian Islamists; solid facts appear to be still in dispute. Georgian opposition at the time (and the subsequent government) heavily criticized Saakashvilli response. Natives of Pankisi Gorge are Kistin people, close 'relatives' of Chechens. Kamens version of Lopota event is in the above article. --Resup (talk) 09:08, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

Yanukovich team claim

Andrey Kluiev, chief of Yanukovich presidential administration, told (as quoted, Rusnext, 30 November, 2016) that one sniper was caught by Maidan people. He read from what he described as his interrogation document. He gave sniper name as Vladimir Dykhladze, a Georgian. On February 19, he was told to be in full readiness. At 6 am he was brought to the building from which he made his shots. He gave the building name as hotel 'Kazatskaya'. --Resup (talk) 17:31, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Italian Documentary 11.2017

Italian TV Documentary "War in Ukraine: The hidden truth" by journalist Gian Micalessin from late November 2017. Video versions:

Accompanying article:

Georgian snipers, who previously served in Saakashvili security, reportedly confess to massacring along with Lithuanian snipers both police and protesters on the Maidan in a new Italian documentary film.
"But who should shoot?" I asked. He replied that it did not matter who and where, you had to shoot somewhere so much to sow chaos.
(allegedly) Hired in Tbilisi by Mamuka Mamulashvili, Saakashvili's military advisor, are tasked with supporting - along with other Georgian and Lithuanian volunteers - ongoing demonstrations in Kiev in return for a $ 5,000 final fee.
(as quoted) Four years later Alexander [Revazishvilli] and his two companions reported that they had not yet received the slightest reward and had also decided to tell the truth about who used them and abandoned them. "At that time I did not realize, I was not ready, then I understood. We've been used. Used and stuck. "

Blogger comments from one of the first Russian summaries of the film (labuda.blog) (may involve a broad overview/interpretation, not matching the film in every detail--check the videos above for precise details of the claims):

  • First, their task was to monitor the order on the Maidan so that there would be no clashes, then they were brought to the hotel 'Ukraine' and checked in with mercenaries from Poland, Latvia, Lithuania and other countries.
  • The most important task was: DO NOT LET MAYDAN DISPERSE, because if people go home and they get tired of protesting, -and it was still cold, -then THEY FAILED THE ENTIRE OPERATION.
  • Opposite to the hotel Ukraine there is the building of the Conservatory; they were told that early in the morning on the 21st there will be the first shot from there and they will have to start shooting from their positions.
  • They clearly told that from the Conservatory they were shooting at the backs of peaceful protesters, and from the hotel Ukraine they shot at the back of Berkut.
--Resup (talk) 17:31, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Observations from German summary of film (Maidanmorde: Drei Beteiligte gestehen, Stefan Korinth, Telepolis, November 19, 2017, expanded and updated version: Explosive Geständnisse, Rubikon, November 24, 2017)

Details not in Katchanovski's translation of teaser article: Other two people are named Koba Nergadze and Kvarateskelia Zalogy. Hired in December 2013 in Tiflis by Mamulashvili to "support the revolt". Flown to Ukraine on January 15, got 1,000 dollars each in advance with the promise of additional 4,000 after engagement finished. Checked into Hotel Ukraina, participated in unarmed street clashes. On February 18, weapons were distributed to them by people led by politician Sergey Pashinsky (caught on video the same day transporting rifle in his car). Also among weapons distributers was Right Sektor militant Volodymyr Parasyuk who threatened Yanukovic with storming parliament from the Maidan stage. Shooting orders on February 20 came from US-veteran sniper Brian Christopher Boyenger. Several shooters. The three don't say if and what they hit (don't confess to anything more than shooting). Shooting lasted 15-20 minutes, then realizing what happened the three immediately and independently fled, Revazishvili from the Conservatorium and the other two from the Hotel Ukraina.
--CE (talk) 09:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

More sources

Makedonian Documentary

  • milenko nedelkovski Gruzija02 rus (with Russian subtitles)
  • Ivan Katchanovski on Facebook, November 28, 2017
    Wow! Another bombshell about the Maidan massacre: One of Georgians, who stated in an Italian TV documentary that they were in the groups of Maidan snipers, gave a one-hour long interview to a Macedonian TV show. This Georgian said that an adviser of then Georgian president selected him because he was a military sniper, gathered their group in the beginning of 2013, i.e. a year before the Maidan massacre, informed them that there would be a “coup” in Ukraine and that they traveled in March and September 2013 to the Independence Square (Maidan) in Kyiv to survey best positions for snipers and identified the Hotel Ukraina, Music Conservatory and Zhovtnevyi Palace as such. He stated that they again flew to Ukraine during the “Euromaidan” mass protesters in the end of January 2014 with a task of provoking the Berkut anti-riot police to use force against the Maidan protesters and spill blood of the protesters. Macedonian and Russian-language versions of this TV program were posted on its YouTube channel. (long post continues.)

Some details he provides, did not check all but a few (on one hand, it checks out, on the other hand, noting not easy to get from internet)--Resup (talk) 21:51, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

  • In or before March 2013, he is called to Koba Khobazi office (Koba Khobazi with Mamulashvilli on this photo)
    More Kobi Khobazi (earlier audiotapes)?; monument-fighting. Said to be member of nationalist NGO 'Free Zone' (accused of hiring fighters for Ukraine before).
  • First visit to Kiev, we came to a residential building on Vozdukhoflotskaya (like struggling to recall), where MOD building is (mapped)
  • He was with ... Kemularia, Gogokhia (same here ) + Kipiani (?)
    Ivan Katchanovski : The last name of another Georgian killed during the Maidan massacre in strange circumstances matches Davyd Kipiani, whose body was reportedly found close to midnight on February 20 in an area far from the shooting

ACLOS Discussion

The snipers would be the linchpin of a very important operation - the real ones, I suspect, will be serious, non-cajoled, well-paid and will stay quiet. What moron all but forces them to do it and then refuses to pay them? That's a recipe for admissions like this. I understand this is not a new twist but a verification of claims already made? I didn't compare names and such. Well then in the whole accusation, this sounds to me kind of like cartoon villain idiocy meant to make the villains look like cheapskates, and probably bad-smelling, etc. It could well be valid anyway, but there's my initial (and I guess belated) doubt. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:45, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

I have not heard about those specific alleged Georgian snipers before. It was probably quite chaotic and many participants did not have sufficient experience in this sort of thing, including organizers, like (cashier?) Yatseniuk; using hired help was common; so it seems not totally out Professionals quite likely need to be foreign, as local professionals likely from security or army and may be unwilling or not fully reliable here; while Western professionals could be a bit fancy (and in any case we will not hear anything definite any time soon); so some contributing Georgians (or Chechens, or Baltic ones) seems a possibility; there may be others who are locals, as I guess was alleged earlier. What is quite suspicious here is placing it on Saakashvilli while he is busy with his 'Mikho-Maidan', so what's desirable to check is that it is not planted on him (but checking is difficult; how?). He had some shouting-and-glass -throwing with Avakov, and there are other characters in the game too. --Resup (talk) 11:33, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
There's a certain logic to it, a few reasons why. But still, ... well, wait. One said he was told don't bother shooting people, just shoot and add to the chaos. There did seem to be a lot of useless shots just be noisy and scary, perhaps. Using day laborers for that part maybe, as the real snipers sneak their martyr-making shots into the noise. But still, it's just stupid use of money to cheap out on even these outer-ring gunmen. People like this planning coups and such can be stupid, but they tend not to be. So, possible disinfo claim, and I suggest caution. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:43, 17 November 2017 (UTC)
See the details from the film I added from the German summary. Seems more plausible now. They were not hired as snipers, but as ordinary thugs and had been "protesting" for a month already, and got 1,000 dollars in advance. As things escalated, they were told to shoot but don't confess to anything but that. And Saakashvili himself (like Resup I also found that timing suspicious) is not said to be involved in any way, just connected to the recruiters and the trio from his time as president via security service and party. Anyway, caution can never hurt. --CE (talk) 09:46, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
A Georgian article, from February 2016, mentions that Boyenger joined Georgian Legion of Mamulashvilli. It describes events after Maidan only. Brian Christopher Boyenger, a retired officer and former sniper from the US Army’s elite 101st Airborne Division, is the first US citizen to formally join the Ukrainian military in an official combat role since hostilities broke out against Russian forces and their separatist proxies in April 2014. (Noted: Russian-lead sources are quite fond of placing blame on Americans; this guy appears to be mostly a soldier, + did some training, but not a big planner...) --Resup (talk) 12:57, 20 November 2017 (UTC)

Regarding BBC counter-claim , more here. There are several separate issues actually (1) whether it is true that there were snipers, firing both at Berkut and protesters. This is not an exact science statement but it appears to be highly likely/high confidence based mostly on lots of different considerations all pointing to the same thing (2) whether those snipers were on pro-Maidan side. Gennady Moskal was placing blame on Yanukovich side but I do not see much evidence or reason for that to be true, and some evidence that it is false (like attempted ballistics studies, witnesses, etc), so 'most likely' those were pro-Maidan, I'd say, pretty confidently (3) whether those particular Georgians were hired by Saak associates to be those snipers; BBC piece places serious doubt here; there is a case to answer here at least --Resup (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

Skimmed that BBC thing. Did I miss something or is their whole point of discrediting Revazishvili that he is not the person they claim he claims to be in that Maidan video? Obvious explanation knowing their methods would be that he is someone else in the video/tent, but it would take more time than I am willing to spend to check that out. --CE (talk) 18:00, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
They identified a Life news video (apparently this). Revazishvili watches that video (or maybe another video which has the same scene; or maybe it's editing job went wrong and his comment, it's me, is not about the video we see him watching at an adjacent (Italian) video scene; but it appears that the above Life news video is indeed the video he watches). The thing is, there is nobody even resembling him on the Life news video (2 Feb. 2014). At full resolution, and watching the same video, it is impossible to make such mistake. One person, accused of burning cars by Ukraine, has his face hidden, but it's unlikely our sniper was burning cars). So, this is not something totally impossible with some reasonable explanation ('we did film some of it in Hollywood, for smooth running of the story'), but as it stands appears to cast strong doubt. Apart from that episode, I did not spot anything independently placing him and his 2 other pals on Maidan, apart from their own words. He gives lots of other details in the follow-up video (though I did not spot anything not easy to find on internet and verified to be as he says it is). Somebody may be able to check it out further; or get an explanation from the Italian video authors on what happened with that episode; or something ; but we have what we have for now --Resup (talk) 21:31, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
Actually, hard to be certain about the main bulk of his claims. It may be that it was mostly as he says, but he got handlers for his media appearances, and those and journalists are making errors. He is a simple guy, says joined Georgian army after school; there are no obvious signs of fool play elsewhere. It's just that his account has major implications so some skepticism and desire to have more evidence, not just his words on camera, is warranted. (Also, the claim it started in early 2013, not sure about that...does not take a year to identify possible sniper positions...and Maidan started to form later, I would think...) Ukr MP Rabinovich is asking to get formal testimonies of journalists and witnesses, that sounds like a good idea (he made a formal request, with no answer at this point) --Resup (talk) 12:29, 30 November 2017 (UTC)

Regarding Makedonian video: he gives lots of details (verbally), and it may be possible to verify or falsify. One strange thing is that interviewer speaks in Macedonian, Revazishvili speaking in Russian, with no cross translation or clear evidence they both fully understand each other. There are lots of jump cuts on video as well. --Resup (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2017 (UTC)

TV echo in Ukraine

  • Rada accused Saakashvili of bringing snipers to Maidan - Vadim Sinitsyn, TV Zvezda, November 16, 2017
    • Accusation was made by Rada MP Vadim Rabinivich on News One televised debate between himself and Saakashvilli (video). (Rabinovitch is listed as NewsOne founder)
    • Rabinovich I want the Prosecutor's Office to consider my words as an official statement. I'm just reading to you. General of the Georgian army Tristan Tsitalishvili said that the snipers who shot at us on the Maidan belonged to Saakashvili.
    Saakashvilli: Russian agent! An agent of GRU!
    Rabinovich: Another Russian agent, Minister of Interior affairs (of Georgia) Alexander Chikoidze, also an agent, said that he personally knows last names of snipers which were brought here by Saakashvilli
    (The exchange is at the end of one hour talk show--full video, NewsOne, 15 November, 2017).
    --Resup (talk) 03:58, 18 November 2017 (UTC)

Mamuka Mamulashvili

--Resup (talk) 00:27, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

CIA fingerprints?

The armed coup in Kiev is painfully similar to CIA operations to oust unwanted foreign leaders in Iran, Chile and Venezuela, said US filmmaker Oliver Stone after interviewing Ukraine’s ousted president for a documentary.

False claims

These claims can be consider prima face to be false. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Rostislav Vasilko

Man suspected of being a sniper and member of the pro-government forces is forced by anti-government protestors to pay his respects to a mourning place of a victim killed in the recent clashes in Kiev…

HRI Mark pieces this together:

@Kilicbil Hi - regarding this pic - who added the info regarding suspected sniper? http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/man-suspected-of-being-a-sniper-and-member-of-the-pro-news-photo/474130789
@Kilicbil Hi Bulent - are you & AFP aware that this man is Rostislav Vasilko - a Communist Party official? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=672554276134265

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:43, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

From around: "A man suspected of being a sniper and member of the pro-government forces is forced by anti-government protestors to pay his respects to a mourning place of a victim killed in the recent clashes in Kiev on February 22..." That was pretty clear though. A sniper? Who was THE sniper? Is this the guy they caught at 1:15 , just kept around and dragged out for photos? That does look like him. Horrific details here. --Caustic Logic (talk) 15:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't able to do much with a Google search, but e-mailed Mark. He says Vasilko's reportedly been smuggle to Russia and is safe. Adds this valuable source - way down the page, many photos as the guy was paraded around town by a lynch mob, translated descriptions accompany. The photographer, apparently putting this together himself (?) was deeply disturbed by it all. "Then I heard one of them shouted, standing around explaining: - "Berkut" caught! "Berkut"! This "eagle", bitch! - "Golden Eagle"?? - Instantly reacted people - Kill him! Kill this thing!" First photo. He also points to the only mainstream story dealing with it so far, in Spain. Many ran the AFP photo. Haha, serves' em right, most are supposed to think. But more stories likely will come. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Vasilko is allegedly identified as Berkut by a shoulder tattoo those are supposed to have. Looks kind of like a spider web to me. Is that the complete BS it sounds like? If not, how/why did he get the tattoo? Etc. "Berkut" or "sniper" is the Ukrainian equivalent of "Shabiha" in Syria or "African Mercenary" in Libya. More on the unnamed abuse victim: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukraine-protesters-detain-beat-suspected-sniper-n36196 - pulled. Cited [here]:

An alleged sniper and member of the pro-government forces was detained and beaten by anti-government protesters after Kiev fell into opposition hands Saturday. Opposition demonstrators had earlier surrounded the president's offices in the city's government district. 

unrelated riot video (odd) also has this as the title/description.

Debaltsevo snipers?

The solder from Poltava is on this video. I do not think he is the same man. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:55, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Also here. Unsure, -prisoner seem to have heavier, broader chin, broader cheekbones. (Also, on sniper video, a gunman fires in starting seconds, but the sound appears to be of an air-gun) --Resup (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Vladislav Surkow

Poroshenko yesterday on the massacre anniversary, on Maidan:

Recently, the Security Service informed me that interrogated "Alpha" warriors gave testimony that Assistant to the President of Russia Vladislav Surkov had commanded the groups of foreign snipers on Maidan.

He's increasingly losing it lately. --CE (talk) 10:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

He's not making much sense. They didn't fight Yanukovych the puppet, but he's the main culprit they want. Russia plotted to tear him down, but he cooperated over the phone. The "heavenly hundred" willingly sacrificed themselves (oh, did they? Who picked the self-sacrificers to go in first?) so others could be "living and breathing and have a unique chance to change the country for the best." "They died for Ukraine to become truly independent, powerful and successful European state." Thanks, Surkov? No, he's still mad about this Russian plan ... that worked out that way, brought his insane ass to power. And of course Russia's plans brough Ukraine together: "We have been united into a single Ukrainian political nation" since a year ago, didn't you know? It's a European nation! --Caustic Logic (talk) 01:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

John G.O. Christensen

John G.O. Christensen (top) – Maidan sniper in Hotel Ukraine (bottom)

A montage published by Politikus.ru purports to show that Danish "OSCE inspector" John G.O. Christensen captured in Slavyansk and later released was one of the Maidan snipers in Hotel Ukraine seen on the Ruptly video.

I do not know where Christensen was on February 20th, but from what I read elsewhere, many of the "OSCE" team members had been in Ukraine for some time, possibly even before February 20, 2014. (In fact, the image claims that he arrived in Ukraine on November 16, 2014.) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:29, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

A leaked document shows Christensen did not arrive in Odessa in March along with the 60 other observers invited by Ukraine. We need to check if any other on the list were imprisoned in Slavyansk. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 12:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Debunk: The leader of the 5 man hunting rifle team is a closer match to this Aidar warrior. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 21:26, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Moskal: "I went today to Trehizbenka and met an agent of the British intelligence MI6, a representative of the Kiev junta and a slave owner in one person. Tremble, you separs!" (separatists) ( ('Kiev junta' and 'slave owner' are on one of the man's stripes, Aidar on another) --Resup (talk) 04:15, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

References

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  1. Maidan Translators: all posts tagged "snipers" Accessed February 28, 2014