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Some Alleged Attacks

June 4, Aleppo

(Hayan, just north of Aleppo)

  • Charles Wood on Twitter - demolition chute or similar is attached to roof edge of collapsed building - may mean a demolition gone wrong. Or gone right? Were there fatalities, I'm guessing from the man's reaction? Title mentions drums of the Lion (Assad barrel bombs) and death. I checked VDC and it lists no Aleppo warplane shelling deaths since the 69 on May 30 (they do get behind).
Note: do any image search for demolition + chute and you should see several examples of this most common type. May be a few other things that look the same, but not a barrel bomb of the kind we've seen. These are connected in a long hose and usually used for getting junk out of tall buildings being renovated or gutted - these buildings are short, not likely to need these. Maybe these are used for supports when there's a column damaged or something and the demolition-bombing coincidence is just that. Or maybe there's a link where a place was gutted by locals and then demolished by "Assad" with a "barrel bomb." --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:19, 6 June 2015 (UTC)
Update: noticing later the floor slab in laying on the chute, not attached to it, and with a child in between :( --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:19, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

AFP via Yourmiddleeast has 14+ killed in Northern Aleppo Thurday (June 4)

In the village of Hayyan, north of Aleppo city, barrel bombs killed two elderly men, a woman, and five children from a single family, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said.
The fighting age father was off somewhere else ... how long has Hayyan been under Islamist control? Would a soldier's family, for example, think it was a safe place to stay until very recently?
North of the provincial capital, six civilians -- among them two children -- were killed when barrel bombs were dropped on the village of Deir Jamal.

Presumably this video is connected to one of those. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:45, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

2 more videos connected to Hayyan seem to match the scene in discussion:

1:43 video of rescue operations after "Shelling with explosive barrels on the town of hayyan in Aleppo countryside" Small unmoving person mostly in a gap in the concrete slab, pinned at the butt by the rest of it, against something below.

top: the scene on video, below: the flipped photo

Graphic image from "mr. Creosote" http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=203_1433447887 - showed the apparent underside of that same scene, but upside-down - this boy is crushed between one slab and the top of a section of the demolition chute. It explains the chute was an unexploded barrel bomb that crushed a boy against the floor below. It says it's in Hayyan. He's got an unreadable bloodied face, blood dripping down the side, but otherwise seems pretty intact. Fell through a hole blown in the floor as it fell, and it happened to land on a pivoting section of tube, with him in between? Bizarre scene. Staging seems likely.

It's not just Mr. Creosote - Arabic sources like Islam Memo for example give it the same way. "The video is shocking, father of Syria crying child who was a barrel of explosive" This also says it's in Hayyan, shows the upside-down picture, and explains "...the barrel did not explode, fell on a small child, as shown in the annex, which is the scene of the shocking." Image there a bit gamma-adjusted to see the total face injury in the shadows - that does look a bit strange, but might make sense. --Caustic Logic (talk) 09:34, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Industrial accident? If they're using child labor, and something explains the bizarre set-up, maybe. But then SOHR at least hears it also killed "two elderly men, a woman, and five children from a single family." They seem to claim the missing fighting-age male father of the children is not missing, like maybe a soldier out fighting - they imply that's him in the one video, first one back as soon as it happened, just crying instead of digging. --Caustic Logic (talk) 09:34, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Victims

VDC lists 9 Hayyan residents killed on June 4 Seven share the name Haik, and one woman is just named Amina. The Haiks are: one man, aged 70, one girl, five boys. The other victim is a man, Hassan al-Jabeer Qarteem - different spelling but same name (قريطم ) of the Qraitem family with 15 members killed July-Aug 2016 - 3 men first, then 4 women and 8 children killed and dumped almost 2 weeks later, all by Syrian and/or Russian jet attacks. --Caustic Logic (talk) 06:23, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Haik (or Hayek - حايك) VDC search sjows the closest in time are (befoe) Omar Abdul Raheem Hayek from Hayyan, FSA, killed in clashes May 23. - [ Mohammad Abd al-Hadi al-Hayek], civilian, from Deir Hafir, killed by shelling April 29. , and (after) [www.vdc-sy.info/index.php/en/details/martyrs/151432#.V7WK6K2rH-t another FSA killed in clashes] June 13, and another civilian, [Mahmoud Ali Hayek] from Hayyan, killed by shooting during clashes, June 17.

In 2016, Just before the Aug. 12 dump, so at about the time of the killing of the last 12 Qraitems - regime forces shot (with a gun!) one Ahmed al-Hayek from somewhere Aleppo, August 10. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:25, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Aleppo 30 May 2015

Why barrel bombs are good? Tim Anderson investigates Aleppo attack

May 30, 2015 - market of Bab, Aleppo: reported 70 killed, all civilian. The reason nearly all victims were men; women don't go out to the market much in a Daesh-controlled area. Could be. Gender-segregated captives is also possible. "The SOHR says at least 60 people were killed in the attack on al-Bab's busy market on Saturday morning after government helicopters dropped two barrel bombs in quick succession." There's no mention of a video, even though it happened in broad daylight at a busy market (often the excuse for lack of video is that attacks happen at night) VCD lists 69 civilians including some wives - and children - but mostly men. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:43, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Syrian ambassador to the United Nations explains the cause and results of the latest Aleppo explosions in this short clip – with English subtitles:
-- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:38, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
The first incident was a result of the SAA, the Syrian Arab Army shelling of a terrorist den in al-Bab neighborhood in Aleppo, where the world’s filthiest filth terrorists were plotting to carry out terrorist attacks against the city of Aleppo and its residents. The shelling caused the deaths of 81 terrorists and no civilians.
The second incident was when a weapons depot stored by a terrorist group in al-Shaar neighborhood in Aleppo blew up and resulting in a large number of casualties among the terrorists and sadly took the lives of 51 civilians. Storing weapons and munition inside residential buildings is a technique used by the coward terrorists and this is one of the patterns that keep on repeating.

According to Jaafari, the twin blasts were a coincidence, and the total death toll is 132. Could be, and maybe his info is also incomplete. --Caustic Logic (talk) 05:02, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Victims (per VDC): Aleppo, May 30, warplane shelling = 98 killed, per reports, this is apparently in two parts. At top, Shaar and Aziziah = 12 total in Shaar attack, in non-ISIS rebel turf. Western reports agreed on 12, while Syria claimed 51 civilians died.

Below, 86 in the Bab attack, in ISIS turf. Bab attack Sub-sets: Bab (55) Bazaa (4) Fardous (17) unspecified (10). There might be a third attack reflected here too, or just difeerent area people were all killed in Bab. 17 unidentified men could mean gender left blank (Adult-Male is default), but of the 86, 76 are listed as men - all Bab, Bazaa, and unspecified entries are men. Only the Fardous sub-set includes anything else - 4 women, 5 boys, 1 girl, besides 7 men. --Caustic Logic (talk) 07:31, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

March 23, 2015

moved from Talk:Massacre of the Sheitat Tribe#Shraideh Sheitats Targeted?

(Snipped part on Telegraph report mentioning Sheitat tibe members beheaded in Palmyra and a related man named Ibrahim Shraideh executed recently in Deir Ezzor.)

Arabic list, whole war for name Shraiteh ( شريتح ), twenty-six entries with 3 being non-civilian (usually means "FSA") --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:12, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

But they have five children featuring his name, or the name of another man with the same name. These were killed pretty recently, but not in Deir Ezour, it says. All 5 were killed March 23 in Tafas, Daraa province, by "Warplane shelling" - time and space fudging is entirely possible, but the Barrel bomb everyone knows is real is blamed, and there is video attached. Listed are 4 boys (Moaz, Abdul Rahman, Obada, and Mohammed) and a girl (Tuqa) all with the rest of the name Ibrahem Shraiteh. That usually means their father is someone named Ibrahim Shreideh. As established, it doesn't seem to be a common name. Notes: "Several people martyred in a massacre due to the regime air forces' shelling with explosive barrels." All with that note = the same five and no one else. All Daraa shelling deaths that day = 5. The children have photos attached: 4 boys and the girl, who had a sort of boss thing going on, perhaps. And videos, likely the same ones (not reviewed yet) shared here:

added

Ugarit News Arabic on Facebook: This mentions the five children, as the only victims of some regime bombing in Daraa, all from one family. I left a comment for them just in case.

Videos:

The scene in the second video is the one victim we see, appearing pretty much intact but dusty. He doesn't seem to fit in what seems like a previously vacated place with no furniture, no walls, and no reason for children to be living there. Maybe the bomb just blew out all the walls and furniture, rendered to dust so they're not visible outside, and left just this kid laying there? Or did someone lay him up there so he could look like a shelling victim?

And again, why does it seem he and the other kids are related to a guy on the ISIS hit list, when this is supposedly not Daesh turf (whose is it? not sure) --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:25, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Barrel Bomb Allegations in Iraq

I'm not sure if it's already reported, accepted, or known whether the Iraqi air force is also using these barrel bombs. Al-Jazeera's been saying they are, for at least a year now. HRW too: "Iraq’s government is dropping barrel bombs and may also be targeting a hospital in its battle with militants in the conflict-hit city of Fallujah, Human Rights Watch alleged Tuesday. The Iraqi authorities denied the claims ... HRW said in its report that the military denied targeting Fallujah’s main hospital, and the prime minister’s spokesman issued a statement on May 12 denying the use of barrel bombs." Further, a HRW researcher said you can't compare ISIS crimes with the Iraqi military's - the latter are far worse, I guess because they're allegedly coming from a government, and a certain kind of government (not Saudi or Israeli style, let's just say). "In terms of what ISIL has taken responsibility for ... (they) have committed horrible crimes,” said HRW’s Iraq Researcher Erin Evers, ... “But to equate them with the (denied, possibly actual ISIS) crimes of a government that has rescinded responsibility for protecting its civilian population and ... rescinded responsibility for respecting its own laws and international law, there is no way the two can be equated.” Fuckin' New York. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

But new reports say Iraqi military barrel bombs are killing civilians like in Syria. Middle East Monitor reports on an attack in Fallujah said to kill at least 21 civilians, with another 24 injured. They cite Turkey's Anadolu news agency, which cited "witnesses." But all options are open: consider “Insurgents have planted improvised explosive devices in all of the city’s mosques and residential buildings and along the roads that lead to Fallujah” - Iraq High Commission for Human Rights member Fadel al-Gharaqi (Fox News "Sunni leaders from Anbar province say dozens of civilians were killed and wounded in a government airstrike on a football stadium near Ramadi. The city is occupied by the Islamic State terrorist group and government forces have surrounded it on three sides." (Voice of America) And as the Fox one and other reports mention, Shi'ite-led militias and Iraqi army are now taking major areas of Fallujah, an operation this bomb massacre would be part of - don't successful offensives get demonized sometimes? --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:58, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

So was it in Falujah, or Ramadi? (checking...) (...never mond. I don't know that area at all, might be two different attacks, etc.) --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:00, 16 July 2015 (UTC)

Napalm Barrel Bombs

Until there's a better spot, this at least touches on barrel bombs, hell cannons, and more.

Syrian civil defence volunteers said the Assad regime dropped four barrel bombs containing napalm on Tuesday afternoon on the electricity company district in the town of Daraya, triggering huge fires which were only brought under control in the early hours of the morning.

It involves "napalm-like substance" and somehow, Robert Stuart (crusader against "Saving Syria's Children") is on it.

  • http://off-guardian.org/2015/10/10/guardian-accused-of-passing-off-terrorist-hell-cannon-as-barrel-bombs/ - shares his formal complaint sent to the Guardian challenging their retraction of "aligned with the opposition" to describe Civil Defense (who complained they're totally neutral) and how it uses a photo of a "Hell Cannon" style modified propane tank. Indeed: caption currently says "An unverified photo of an unexploded gas cylinder alleged to contain napalm gel. Photograph: Daraya civil defence." Civil Defense show some of the recovered jelly, totally clear, on a stick. And they seem to be saying it came from these, and/or unexploded "barrel bombs" as well. And whatever clues make them fairly sure these were fired/dropped by the government side. The tanks are pretty famous. I doubt the white helmets would just not know what these usually mean and show proof of a rebel false-flag. I predict; this is a simple but planned narrative - they'll say the regime forces captured some hell cannons or shells and used those to frame rebels, or faked up their own copies, as a cover for their wicked plans to burn the Sunnis. Anyone pointing out the appearance "Assad" aimed for will just be painted as water-carriers. But the point will stand that munition alone can't really prove the culprit. --Caustic Logic (talk) 09:09, 13 October 2015 (UTC)