Talk:Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013/Locations/Moadamiyah

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Video Analysis

(copied from Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013/Locations)

Syrian activist describes chemical attack

As best I can tell listening he says 'West of Damascus' and somthing like 'Moadimiyah' so I'm assuming it is Moadimiyah.

The video includes footage I assume of him between 00:20 and 00:30 ish. Of interest is his graphic description of his symptoms that are not in the least like Sarin symptoms and the close-up of his face showing no obvious pinpoint pupils. --Charles Wood (talk) 02:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Fake cyanosis? Opinions? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4r5Zc6zh8vM prior explanation Talk:Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013/Victims Analysis#Cyanosis --Caustic Logic (talk) 06:59, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Victims Packed in a Single Shelter?

Mother Agnes gives some more information about the Moadamiyah incident in her interview with Sharmine Narwani.

Question from Twitter user ‏‪@Net_News_Global‬: "Ask her, if she thinks, that there was, besides murderous propaganda, a real CW attack."
"We have witnesses and ‘social sensors’ everywhere in Damascus. Until today we have received 88 claims of death in Moadamiya (from the August 21 attack). We are told they were not killed because of sarin, that they were killed because of heavy shelling from the army and from suffocation from heavy shelling. The deceased were together in a shelter and they suffocated from this. Moadamiya people told us this."

She goes on to express doubts about the deaths in east Ghouta as (in contrast to Moadamiya) her team has no confirmation from there that anyone has lost a relative.

Her statement that people were suffocated in a shelter is consistent with earlier suggestions by Petri and CL I think. But it's surprising that local residents are still prepared to blame the suffocation on SAA shelling, and not to suspect that the victims might have been set up to be shown as sarin victims. Pmr9 (talk) 11:50, 2 December 2013 (UTC)

Interesting twist - they suffocated in a shelter. Doesn't sound quite right of course, considering how it lines up with all these other mass chemical-suffocation deaths. Another half-truth story like perhaps the Gavlak-Ababnieh (sp) story? I don't like those. I wonder why the other half of the truth had to be elsewhere, where that is, and what completely different scenario appears when the halves are seen together? Mother Agnes is receiving these claims it was government shelling that suffocated people there? That seems strange. Of course in Moadamiyeh, whoever was shelling did so with that ancient artillery shell Syria's military probably doesn't use anymore. And it has all these oddities about poisoning the people who there (on testing day anyway), but not the environment or the shells themselves. Hmmm... --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:15, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Coming back to this now, including it in my Moadamiyeh blog post. Another point against this story is how all the people tended to wind up red-faced and with mucous-plugged noses and mouths. Whoever her sources are, they may well not be on the level. This revised story might be to try and explain a mass death after it turned out there was no Sarin there. But the 88 people packed in a single cellar part might be a real glimpse. Consider:
  • Some clues (tentative, see blog post) suggest there were at least 80 victims included in the Moadamiyeh total, when most say 70 (that includes the Rankus victims and some maybe-related oddball victims).
  • Jobar/Ain Tarma had reported victims who put themselves in basements and started burning tires there before the gas hit, so this parallel is reasonable in comparison.
  • And we can see someone put the Kafr Batn victims in basement gas chambers before they died there. This might be three spots where there's some evidence for this crucial detail, that might explain how so many were able to die.

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October 2013

Something is happening. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:03, 13 October 2013 (UTC)

The Syrian Arab Red Crescent (SARC) said in a statement on its Facebook page that people were evacuated amid the fierce clashes in Moadamiyet al-Sham, west of the Syrian capital.
The civilians, most of whom were women and children, were safely relocated into shelters in the countryside near Damascus, the group added.
Local media quoted by Xinhua said the evacuation came after the Syrian army opened routes for civilians to leave the suburban hotspot. SARC sent its volunteers to get the people out to a safe place.

From Syriangirl Partisan:

Syrian forces and Insurgents have cooperate to allow civilians to evacuate Al Mouadamiya via ceasefire brokered by mother Agnès-mariam de la Croix and her team of nuns. Zionist propgandanist Michael Weiss claimed men were not allowed to leave, perhaps he was remembering what US forces did to Fallujah in 2004. Its terrible the civilians had to leave their homes in the first place but they will return when the Army has made the area safe for them. Surely First time ive seen a half decent non secterian report from AlJazeera, though they had to add their poison at the end. I smiled at 1:10 where a sunni girl ran over and held hands with a nun.
Moudamiya is a besieged suburb on the outskirts of Damascus. It is completely surrounded by Syrian forces - and the opposition say thousands face starvation. Some people have managed to leave the area during a brief ceasfire. Al Jazeera's Imran Khan has this report.