File talk:East Aleppo children killed.jpg

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Some obvious points:

  • Based on this photos, impossible to say what, when happened, and how
  • Aleppo Media Centre is not reliable (Western based, funded, serves as media psychological warfare unit, etc)
  • Collateral damage in city warfare is unavoidable
  • Those in eastern Aleppo were given several opportunities to leave, and should have done so
  • There are formal channels to lodge complaints, via Russian (or US) reconciliation centers, which gives opportunity of investigation, and there is no reason to make emotion-based claims of blame in social media instead. Doing it in that other way is psychological warfare designed to delay inescapable withdrawal or else military defeat.
  • There are plenty of dead bodies. What about similar pictures from other places where it is less politically beneficial?
--Resup (talk) 22:35, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Details

Considering two deadly days, with 25+ killed in Karm al-Qaterji (Wikimapia) and 20+ on 10-17 in Marja (المرجة ) just to the south Wikimapia)

VDC query: 10-16 and 10-17 Aleppo residents, killed by all cause (cause-specific and date-specific searches no longer work?)

27 total from Karam Qaterji: 8 girls, 2 boys, 11 men, 6 women (very unusual pattern with so many women and girls killed). 4 unidentified members of a Sharfo family, 3 named Danouf, and 20 named Kharas. That some 20 members of one family would live in the same place is odd, but not impossible. CNN report says 20 members of one family were killed the 17th in Marja. Is that a mix-up, or did 2 families lose 20 members each in a 2-day span?

10-17, Marja = 13 total There are 11 named Qabas, a likely wife among them = 12, and the earliest listed is a man named Terkey Arab, making 13. If there's another family with 20 killed, this must be it, with several missing here. The family includes 7 girls 2 boys, 2 men, 1 woman. Again, an unusual pattern of few men and many girls, repeated. Are these perhaps the last of the hostages being finished off before rebels loose these districts? Maybe most of the men are already dead.

The usual pattern still appears these days: 10-17 Awejel town = 14 killed - 13 men, 0 women, 0 boys, one girl. Some 3 men named Hamdo were living together and died? 3 named al-Nuri, and 2 named Hsein, same implied situation. 5 other men with 5 different names were living alone or in groups. And the girl managed to die alongside no relatives.

Some at least (maybe all?) of these are listed as killed by Russian troops, by warplane shelling, with a weapon type "EPW." Looking this up, Wikipedia suggests it's either elctric powered wheelchair or earth penetrating weapon - which is nuclear! But by by name it shouldn't have to be, and they must mean "bunker buster" bombs as alleged. For example, Aysha (age 17, apparently then not shown, and not counted as a child to some) was killed by EPW.

So back to the photo - these are 8 of 8-9 listed children killed in Marja by "bunker buster bombs," ("An Aleppo resident told the BBC the city had endured heavy bombing in the past 24 hours, with "bunker-buster" munitions shaking the ground.") Yet none of them seems blown up, torn apart, crushed, or even dusty. Clothes seem intact and fairly clean. So, they seemingly died from more acute (execution-type) injuries. One may have a sliced-open face. All are wrapped for burial, despite not being stripped and washed as is usually done. Perhaps these people were seen as too "unclean" at heart to bother with that? The family here, and the one from the day before, like hundreds of others, probably suffered a suspicious 100% mortality rate. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:27, 19 October 2016 (UTC)