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After the meeting

At the meeting

Russian delegation: Lavrov, Putin, Surkov.

Ukrainian delegation: (?), Poroshenko, Klimkin

19 Oct. Putin: Statement for the press following visit to Berlin- Eng. Russ. Merkel-more details, Tass.

Poroshenko claimed that Russia agreed to an 'armed police mission by OSCE' in Donbas (no official word from Russia or Donbas) (not in Putin comments, despite conflicting reports).

Poroshenko: Heads of State of Normandy format agreed to elaborate roadmap for implementation of Minsk agreements, 20 October 2016

Poroshenko: OSCE police mission to begin functioning in occupied territories of Donetsk and Luhansk regions

Ukrainian Sources

"Stop the shooting." Details of the talks with Putin in Berlin - Liga Novosti, liga.net, October 21, 2016 (unconfirmed details, may be true or not)

  • The German side refused to invite Boris Gryzlov to Berlin. There is Surkov under sanctions already - and so it is enough, no need to bring Gryzlov here. That angered Moscow.
  • Putin tried to interrupt Poroshenko to talk on the need to fulfill the political part of Minsk. Poroshenko raised his voice: "No, you just stop shooting!" (Poroshenko speaking in Russian).
  • "Let's agree that there should be a cease fire", - said Merkel. Putin replied, in the sense that it is "Ukrainian idea", which means - Moscow will contribute to the security issue, but nothing is promised and ostensibly can not be guaranteed. (?)--rather doubtful version here.
  • Putin, according to LІGA.net sources in the Ukrainian delegation, looked as if he would not understand what he is doing here and why this meeting is held. However, he knows that sanctions will be considered in December. He must at all costs weaken those in terms of access to Western loans to refinance Russian debt.
  • At some point Merkel broke down and interrupted Putin switching to the Russian language: "Vladimir, let's talk constructively!".
  • The officials of the Ukrainian delegation quoted Putin speaking on the DPR/LPR: "Well, those whom you call terrorists ..."
  • Putin made it clear that no international humanitarian organizations ca operate in the Donbass without the consent of the Russian Federation. On this Merkel Putin allegedly said the following: "Vladimir, we already have a Aleppo and you want to repeat it here.?".
  • The road map is an Ukrainian idea. Ukrainian parliamentarian Ruslan Knyazevich is working on it. He also addresses the issue of elections in ORDLO.
  • the parties agreed that the dialogue will continue at the ministerial level, who will try to make all the arrangements and to implement it in the form of a final road map. However, Ukrainian interlocutors do not believe that this will result. "If the leaders do not agree - what can we say about the ministers'
  • Putin, say the interlocutors, three times raised the issue of the termination of negotiations. "It's time to stop all this" - he said.
  •  And although the meeting did not produce a real breakthrough - and it was not supposed to - we returned Putin to the Normandy format

Russian Sources

Peskov told the audience about the talks, in the sense of command of foreign languages among the Normandy Four leaders. Russia’s President Vladimir Putin, he said, "may be joking in German with Merkel, and then it becomes very complicated for his assistance who do not speak German." At the same time, Putin "can also speak English, he uses greatly the English language to talk ‘briefly’ with Hollande." The French president speaks English. Ukraine’s President Pyotr Poroshenko "is trying to speak three languages." "Sometimes he begins speaking English, the parties are exchanging inquiring looks, but interpreters react masterly, translating both into Russian and Ukrainian. Some of phrases he says in Russian," Peskov said.

Before the meeting

Poroshenko: Germany France, Ukraine agreed to conduct a meeting of the Heads of State in the Normandy format on October 19 in Berlin in order to induce Russia to fulfill the security part of the Minsk agreements. Russia agreed to attend the meeting. Peskov: Kiev does not intend to fulfill Minsk, and tries to shift the blame on Russia.

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current10:21, 21 October 2016Thumbnail for version as of 10:21, 21 October 2016993 × 559 (88 KB)Resup (talk | contribs)(Under EU sanctions list; it is said that a special permission was granted). Zwischen Wladimir Putin und Frank-Walter Steinmeier sitzt Wladislaw Jurjewitsch Surkow am Tisch von Angela Merkel Von: JULIAN RÖPCKE 19.10.2016 - 23:25 Uhr Dieser Tisch st...
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