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Some key points, visual scan text recognition, lazy mode, with notes:

  • Jaish al-Mujahideen (JaM) - in charge and representing the Free Syrian Army at the crossing anyway, "took part in facilitating the humanitarian convoy's passage into the western Aleppo suburbs."
That was likely their mortar the Russian drone spotted, if Khan al-Assal is in their area. I hear Urm al-Kubra is run by the Zenki group, previous beheaders of children and launchers of chemical attacks in Aleppo, and previous recipients of course of US anti-tank missiles. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
  • 31 trucks entered their area at 11:30 am (exact location of crossing pending) - it took about an hour 45 to reach nearby Khan al-Assal around 1:15 (by sunlight) but they were at the warehouse near Urm al-Kubra before 1:40. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
  • The attack was at "exactly 8:30" pm when most others have said 7:30-ish or even 7:10. JaM say fighter jets attacked first, 18 strikes, then barrel bombs from helicopters, then jets again with "heavy artillery" (heavy machine guns?). This is different from some other reported sequences. Most seem to agree the mahine gunning happened last, after the explosives that fell down. Because aerial gunning at night is such an effective way to finish people off. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
  • The dead number 31 - "12 humanitarian aid workers and 19 civilians, including the drivers of the aid convoy."
okay, it says "the drivers," not specifying all or some. But I suspect they mean all. There were 31 trucks, probably 31 drivers (unless they had a few spares?) and only 18 trucks were destroyed. The other 13 may have been there during the attack but survived or, I suspect, were gone already, or perhaps never there (pending video analysis). I've counted at least a dozen trucks after, likely 18, but ... those containing grain, like 2 lone trailers near the warehouse door - should not be part of the convoy. Reports say it was all non-food aid, and that this place was usually (also?) a bakery. (citations...)
IF 13 trucks were not present, that means 100% of present trucks were destroyed, and there would be only 18 drivers, probably exactly. So are they saying every driver present was killed with his truck, plus one other "civilian?" --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

And why is "civilian" set apart from "aid workers" and/or Red Crescent? Does this reflect the recent statements of some Islamist rebels that SARC is an agency of the Syrian government, and thus possibly legitimate targets? Or something? --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:19, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

This NY Times report has this final paragraph. "The United Nations sought to retrieve the bodies of the drivers who had been killed, Mr. Egeland said. But the rebels didn’t let it. And there was no Mr. Barakat to help." Other surprising details in this report: the convoy was handed over to a Red Crescent crew from the rebel side at the last government checkpoint (wouldn't the drone video show this?), Salmo of the White Helmets and Barakat were friends, and one of the WH on the rebel side was Barakat's nephew Pmr9 (talk) 10:41, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
Huh, had to bury the bodies themselves even. Covered up any craters, carted off any bomb remnants, had everyone die ... --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:33, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
That removes forensic clues (regardless of what was intended, -traditions may be argued too). Site is not secured and no bodies. NY Times uses "investig..." (..ation) once, proposed by UN. It is uses Russia(...) some 20 times, but not to say that it supported/asked for an investigation. So again, assigning blame with missing clues. --Resup (talk) 15:21, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

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