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                        "*": "{{Talk}}\n\n== Al-Quds Hospital, Aleppo == \nThis famously often-destroyed clinic gets its own page here. See [[Al-Quds Hospital, Aleppo]]\n\n== Sarmin - October 2015 ==\n:''See [[Talk:Alleged Russian strike on Sarmin hospital]]\n\n== Aleppo - 11 Febuary 2016 ==\n*[http://syria.mil.ru/news/more.htm?id=12078017@egNews Russian MOD], Feb. 11, 2016\n\n:''Yesterday, Pentagon spokesman Colonel Steven Warren, sitting in Iraq, said the alleged Russian aircraft bombed during day time  two hospitals in Aleppo. As a result, he said, supposedly about 50 thousand Syrians have been deprived of essential services for them. Spokesman could not squeeze from himself anything more on the subject. Neither the time nor the origin of these hospitals or sources of the information. Just nothing.''\n\n:''We had a night to scrutinize   this information''.\n\n:''When such nonsense is said by human rights activists in London - is one thing. But when it is said by  a Pentagon official, who has positioned himself as a military professional - a completely different situation.\n''\n:''We have carefully analyzed the data on targets, which were affected yesterday in Aleppo province. First of all, to disappoint Colonel Warren upset - he guessed wrong. Russian planes did not work yesterday in Aleppo area . The immediate aim was  more than 20 kilometers from the city.''\n\n:''And over by the city yesterday only actively flying aircrafts were from the so-called anti-IS coalition: aircraft and attack drones. As promised to our American partners, we will no longer hide this information.''\n\n:''Yesterday at 13:55 Moscow time from Turkey, on the shortest course right on Aleppo,  '''two  \"A-10\" attack aircraft''' of the US Air Force  entered the Syrian sky and fully 'worked' on the targets in the city. Colonel Warren somehow did not advertise this fly-by in direct and, incidentally, in a figurative sense, too.''\n\n:''Let us not be like the American colonel, and to be honest: we had not have enough time to accurately determine the identity of those 9 objects they bombed yesterday in Aleppo. Perhaps among them were 2 hospital. We will take a closer look.''\n\n:''But the situation is one to one similar to that when the Americans bombed a hospital in Kunduz, Afghanistan, or the position of the Iraqi Army in Fallujah. The first thing they do - they throw  allegations against us to take away all suspicion.\n''\n:''If this deal goes further, then soon we will have to hold two briefing, first for ourselves, and then for those guys from the coalition, who consider themselves professionals.''\n\n::[https://www.rt.com/news/332109-russian-jets-isis-warlords/ US A-10s bombed city of Aleppo on Wednesday, shifted blame onto Moscow \u2013 Russian military]\n\n[http://www.defense.gov/News/News-Transcripts/Transcript-View/Article/653950/department-of-defense-press-briefing-by-col-warren-via-teleconference-from-bagh Department of Defense Press Briefing by Col. Warren via Teleconference from Baghdad, Iraq], Feb 10, 2016\n\n== Maarat al-Numan - 15 Febuary 2016 ==\n=== News ===\n* [http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-35579767 Syria crisis: Hospital strike deliberate, says MSF] - ''BBC'', February 15, 2016\n*:''Seven people have died in an air strike on a Medecins Sans Frontieres hospital in northern Syria, the organisation said, calling it a \"deliberate\" attack. MSF blamed Syria's government or Russia for the raid in Maarat al-Numan. There has been no independent confirmation.\n*:''A further eight people are missing from the strikes, the medical charity said. Separate strikes on a hospital in the same town, as well as on two more hospitals and a school in Azaz, killed at least 12 people, reports said.\n*:+ Staged photo: [http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/1024/cpsprodpb/16055/production/_88279109_88278295.jpg A child is evacuated from the damaged hospital in Azaz]\n*:++ One more [http://cdncms.todayszaman.com/todayszaman/2016/02/18/240900.jpg photo] from [http://www.todayszaman.com/diplomacy_syrian-rebels-say-reinforcements-get-free-passage-via-turkey_412634.html here]\n* [http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160216/1034831694/syria-hospital-us-coalition.html Data Shows Airstrikes on Syrian Hospital Launched by US-Led Coalition Jet] - ''Sputnik'', February 16, 2016\n*:''Airstrikes on a hospital affiliated with Doctors Without Borders, or Medecins Sans Frontiers (MSF), and a children\u2019s hospital in Syria were carried out by aircraft departing the US Incirlik Airbase in Turkey, a member of the Russian upper house\u2019s Committee on International Policy said Tuesday.\n\n* [ttp://news.yahoo.com/msf-seeks-independent-probe-bombing-syria-hospital-101501368.html MSF seeks independent probe] Reuters via Yahoo News, February 18\n:''According to accounts from medical staff onsite, four missiles struck the hospital in an attack lasting about two minutes. Forty minutes later, after rescuers arrived, the site was bombed again,\" said Dr. Joanne Liu, international president of the medical charity.''\n\n:''\"This attack can only be considered deliberate. It was probably carried out by the Syrian government-led coalition that is predominantly active in the region,\" she told a news briefing.... \"The only thing predominantly in the region is the Syrian government-led coalition.\"\n\n:''\"We would like the facts to be established, we are open for other mechanisms for an independent investigation,\" she said.''\n\n:''MSF said it had not provided the hospital's GPS coordinates to Syrian or Russian authorities, at the request of local staff.  \"In Syria the problem faced by medical staff is if you give GPS (coordinates), you indicate where you are, they think the chance to be targeted is higher,\" Isabelle Defourny, director of operations for MSF France, told the briefing. \"It is known that providing humanitarian assistance inside opposition-controlled areas is something which is criminialized by the Syrian government,\" she said.''\n\n=== Activist sources ===\n* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlQaehBybk \u0645\u0631\u0643\u0632 \u0627\u0644\u0645\u0639\u0631\u0629 \u0627\u0644\u0625\u0639\u0644\u0627\u0645\u064a - \u0622\u062b\u0627\u0631 \u0627\u0644\u062f\u0645\u0627\u0631 \u0641\u064a \u0645\u0634\u0641\u0649 \u0623\u0637\u0628\u0627\u0621 \u0628\u0644\u0627 \u062d\u062f\u0648\u062f \u0628\u0639\u062f \u0642\u0635\u0641\u0647 \u0628\u0635\u0648\u0627\u0631\u064a\u062e \u0627\u0644\u0637\u064a\u0631\u0627\u0646 \u0627\u0644\u0631\u0648\u0633\u064a] (The effects of the destruction in the MSF hospital after bombed with missiles of the Russian aviation) - maara media center, Feb 15, 2016\n* Conflict News \u200f@Conflicts [https://twitter.com/Conflicts/status/699179039085432832 Feb 15, 2016]\n*:''VIDEO: @SyriaCivilDef recovers bodies from the rubble of a @MSF supported hospital in #Idlib #Syria - @RamiSafadi93 \n*:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlQaehBybk\n* @HadiAlabdallah on February 15:\n** IMAGE:Russian warplanes destroy Doctors Without Borders hospital in Maaret Anuman, killing 5. Dozens injured/missing [https://pic.twitter.com/mImC0wc1LK pic.twitter.com/mImC0wc1LK]\n** IMAGE:Azaz's Children's  Hospital-Aleppo, which used to see 4000 kids/month, put out of commission by Russian strike [https://pic.twitter.com/lLtemcmfli pic.twitter.com/lLtemcmfli]\n** IMAGE: Maaret Anuman's Watan Hospital also targeted by Russia today, killing/injuring dozens,including medical staff [https://pic.twitter.com/bHG5sxA6vx pic.twitter.com/bHG5sxA6vx]\n* https://twitter.com/SergueiMakarov/status/700284594831151104\n\n===Russian MoD===\n*[http://eng.syria.mil.ru/en/index/syria/news/more.htm?id=12078613@egNews Russian MoD] response (Eng), Feb 16, 2016. Claims that this is propaganda 'cooked up' on February 10, in/by Turkey; and that there are no known hospitals by 'Doctors without borders' in the area, at best they are only 'supported' by the organization.\n\nMSF described the facility as an MSF supported hospital. \n\n=== Analysis ===\n*On a previous recent occasion, February 11, [[#Aleppo - 11 Febuary 2016|Russian MoD blamed USA]]\n:Syrian ambassador to Russia blamed Western coalition  for the February 15 strike-[http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2917204  Kommersant] and Rusvesna.\n\nHowever...\n* MSF, Feb. 15, 2017: [http://www.msf.org/en/article/hospital-bombings-building-evidence-images Hospital bombings: Building evidence with images] With the \"forensic Architecture team,\" * they re-visit the case, hoping to settle controversy with a clear, video-analysis-based answer that Syrian-Russian air strikes did kill 25 in that hospital.\n::Forensic Architecture, MSF explains, \"collects and analyses images taken '''of a crime committed by a State''' to establish the facts and ascertain who was responsible.\" So they might tend to ignore the possibility of guilt by any non-state actors. \n* [http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2017/02/msf-building-images-of-proof-using.html Monitor on Massacre Marketing:] Analysis of that report (long and rambling). The aircraft can't be clearly identified, but the strikes seen on video don't appear obviously criminal, like those on a false-flag mission would be (as the allegations of Feb. 11 would suggest, if applied again). In summary, this analysis finds:\n** One unseen incident, possibly not even an airstrike, did obliterate the building described as the MSF supported hospital. The aftermath is seen on 2 videos, heavy black smoke rolling up. The hospital director said there were 2 attacks at 9:02 and 9:05 am, both airstrikes. \n** About 40 minutes later, an apparent air strike is filmed, hitting targets about one kilometer or so to the southwest. Rescue workers at the hospital take cover. Follow-on explosions might suggest an ammunition depot was hit, some distance away. This is what MSF describes as \"confirming\" the Syrian government's \"use of \u2018double/triple tap\u2019, i.e. repeated bombing of the same target at close intervals \u2013 a clear illustration of the relentless persecution of civilians and relief organisations in Syria.\"  \n** The hospital director then re-located himself and some patients to the National Hospital in Maarat al-Numan, arriving around noon, he said. It was just \"moments\" later when another air strike happened there. By video, it seems a jet drops two bombs in that area. The video analysis seems well-done, and indicates the hospital wasn't hit, only an area on its grounds, and a road to the south. With little to target there, this might be aiming at vehicles near the hospital, or a bad miss when aiming for the hospital itself.\n** The fatalities, as listed, are a bit suspicious. Several men of three families (with no women or children) comprise half the dead (a frequent sign that these were possibly hostages).\n\n==Aleppo, April 28, 2016==\n(report is the 28th, alleged attack was the 27th)\n[http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-36158947 \"MSF says deadly air strike hit Aleppo hospital\"], BBC, April 28, 2016\n:''At least 14 patients and three doctors have been killed in an air strike on a hospital in the Syrian city of Aleppo, the charity Medecins sans Frontieres (MSF) says. Among those killed in the MSF-supported al-Quds hospital was one of the city's last paediatricians, MSF said.''\nSee also [[Al-Quds Hospital, Aleppo#April Attack Questioned]]\n\n==Aleppo, July, 27 2016==\n*4 hospitals hit \"as a result of the escalating series of aerial attacks taking place against health facilities in Aleppo by Syrian and Russian warplanes\", claims a [http://www.worldbulletin.net/haber/175347/4-hospitals-hit-by-air-raids-in-syrias-aleppo  source], quoting some 'Independent Doctor's Association'. Men in warm clothes are shown on top of ruins, somewhere. Must be a stock photo than? (Reported in [http://rusvesna.su/news/1469453462 Rusvesna] along similar lines, noting absence of proof. Apparently reported in a number of other sources).\n\n==Aleppo, week ending 19 November 2016==\nLocation: unclear. Date: Apparently Nov. 17 and Nov. 18? \n\n[http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/premature-babies-in-aleppo-being-kept-under-blankets-on-the-floor-instead-of-incubators-a7427106.html Premature babies in Aleppo removed from incubators after air strikes hit city's only children's hospital]\n\n\"Harrowing video footage shows tiny babies being removed from their incubators in a smoke-filled ward, with nurses reduced to tears as they detach the tubing providing support and wrap the babies in blankets.\"\n\nBrief Al-Jazeera video shows cameraman entering special care baby unit where two babies are shown being removed from incubators. Unit appears well-equipped and electricity is on.  Most of the incubators appear to be unused and draped in cloth.  Later photograph provided by \"Yasser Al-rahil, journalist and member of the Revolutionary Forces of Syria media office\" shows babies on floor somewhere under a blanket.  A baby (looks small-for-dates rather than preterm) is shown being removed from an incubator.  It's not clear if this baby is alive - doesn't move even when handled, and the neck appears stiff - doesn't sag even when the \"nurse\" lifts the baby one-handed without supporting the head.  The two nurses carrying babies later hug each other for the camera, ignoring the babies they are carrying.  If they are really trying to evacuate the unit, why take the babies out of the incubators? Incubators are easy to move on wheels.\n\nThere is a longer video on [http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/last-childrens-hospital-aleppo-forced-9293119 Mirror], walking with flash lights before entering a well-lit incubator room. Incubator baby looks stiff, dead indeed, but not a doc to tell for sure. And more possibly unrelated clips follow in the same video. There was a recent stream of hospital bombing accusations, including a clash with RT correspondent at State Sept press conference (not giving details, providing some later, and denied by the Russian MOD). This episode smells staged (just walking into most emotionally touching few sec moment?),  follows numerous fakes routines, reminds of [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_(testimony)  Nayirah testimony], --but as with any internet media hard to be sure exactly what on heck is going on. Having electricity, why and where are they supposedly evacuating? --[[User:Resup|Resup]] ([[User talk:Resup|talk]]) 00:45, 20 November 2016 (UTC)\n[http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/11/air-strike-hits-children-hospital-syria-aleppo-161118163200380.html Al Jazeera report] says their crew filmed this, capturing the attack as they filmed people with breathing problems from a previous attack, from toxic materials in a barrel bomb (a man is not coughing, then later coughing violently, and children wear masks - \"when the room suddenly turned dark immediately after a loud explosion.\" (rather, the video cuts sudden\\ly to a different dark room where an explosion of some kind is recorded). It says the babies were moved to an adjacent room and \"staff told Al Jazeera that all of the babies survived the attack.\" The apparently dead baby with rigor mortis is noted as \"visibly undernourished,\" suggesting how he or she died, independent of the attack. (since we're in talk mode) --[[User:Caustic Logic|Caustic Logic]] ([[User talk:Caustic Logic|talk]]) 00:59, 20 November 2016 (UTC)\n\nRigor Mortis note: In n adult, stiffness starts to set in noticeably a few hours after death reaches maximum rigidity in about 10-12 hours, and gradually loosens again, so they're limp again about a day after. In a small baby, it should progress much faster. Maximum stiffness - about what we see here - should be reached (guessing) about 2-3 hours after death. The alleged blast just happened a couple minutes ago, so '''this baby was dead for a matter of hours before that happened.''' It's not clear what, if anything, this means, but they nrefuse to acknowledge it. --[[User:Caustic Logic|Caustic Logic]] ([[User talk:Caustic Logic|talk]]) 04:09, 27 February 2017 (UTC)\n\n'''Caustic Gas?''' [http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3950490/Babies-incubators-driven-safety-Syrian-air-strikes-desperate-doctors-children-s-hospital-bombed-second-time-week.html Daily Mail report with video] - This says this unnamed pediatric hospital was bombed earlier that week as well. Between the photos and video, it's a strange scene. Many seem to have fake blood on their hands, or bloody but superficial injuries. One boy has a real-seeming leg injury, but might smile and laugh at the blood on his hand, and turns his head away at that point. However, there seem to be serious breathing problems, lungs full of blood, suggested by bloody-faced men, gasping, seeming dead, vomiting blood, lungs drained by tubes inserted though a hole between the ribs, etc. One man seems dazed, one looks stabbed in the head. At least one room shown has the same flooring as seen in main hall of al-Quds (FWIW).\n\n[https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/18/aleppos-childrens-hospital-bombed-as-it-treats-chlorine-gas-victims The Guardian reported] \n:''The children\u2019s hospital, which was also hit on Thursday, was forced to evacuate as its doctors treated victims of the chlorine attack who were struggling to breathe.''\n\n:''\u201cWe are moving the children\u2019s hospital because it has been hit twice this week and is considered a full-on target,\u201d the \nIndependent Doctors Association said. \u201cWe took the decision to evacuate it today, to relocate the staff and patients elsewhere.\u201d\n\n:''It is believed the bomb was a vacuum missile, fired by Syrian government forces, the IDA said....''\n:...\n:''One nurse broke down sobbing on a colleague\u2019s shoulder.''\n[[File:11-17 dead baby 3.png|thumb]]\nOne cold, professional nurse lifts the baby out one-handed - stiff as a porcelain sculpture - and holds the baby one-handed as she puts tubes away with the other then, noticing that the other nurse seems sad, perhaps about the dead baby, she goes and hugs her, with the dead baby between them.\n\n:''Doctors and nurses used torches and mobile phones as they rushed to collect babies from their incubators, wrap them in blankets and take them to a basement office, where they were lined up together for a little extra warmth.''\n\nAgain,no mention that any of them might be dead and cold. Here they are lined up - it's not certain that's the same dead baby, but it's quite similar if not. --[[User:Caustic Logic|Caustic Logic]] ([[User talk:Caustic Logic|talk]]) 04:09, 27 February 2017 (UTC)\n[[File:11-17-16 Dead Baby Survived .png]]\n\nAlso, some peripheral child victims and their odd medical care (from Daily Mail article) ---[[User:Caustic Logic|Caustic Logic]] ([[User talk:Caustic Logic|talk]]) 04:24, 27 February 2017 (UTC)\n[[File:11-17-16 kids posed.png]]\n\n'''HRW Omission?''' The exact date and locale remain unclear, with perhaps two attacks in two days, Nov. 17 and 18, with the latter including a chlorine attack and the decision to evacuate. It seems the first incident made little if any news, and all reports are about the dramatic second day. \n\nHuman Rights Watch recently put out a report about alleged chlorine attacks in East Aleppo over a span starting November 17. Oddly, they list no attack for that day, and their listing of an attack on the 18th either isn't this same incident, or it's reported quite differently.\n\nAs reported, a \"chlorine attack had struck Masaken Hanano and Ard al-Hamra\" that morning.\n:''Al-Halabi and Abu Ali said that some of the injured were taken to hospitals in the nearby Sha\u2019ar neighborhood. Al-Halabi said he transported three civilians to the Daqaq hospital in Sha\u2019ar. Abu Ali said that he took a woman and a child to the same hospital.''\n\n:''Syria Charity posted on its Facebook page a video from the Children\u2019s Hospital, also in Sha\u2019ar, showing a boy wearing an oxygen mask. The boy, between coughs, says that an aircraft dropped a bomb near him in Ard al-Hamra, that there was yellow smoke, and that somebody took him to the hospital. Orient News posted a video of what appears to be the same boy. The same video also shows medical staff examining and giving oxygen to another child and a man.''\n\n:''Mojahed Abu Joud, a staff member of the Aleppo Media Center, said that he saw about 30 civilians in al-Sakhour hospital who had been injured in the attack on Masaken Hanano. He said that the people were pale, coughed, and at least one person had foam coming from their mouth.''\n\nLikely the children's hospital in Sha'ar is the place mentioned, but HRW's report mentions nothing about an air attack against the place, or babies pulled from incubators or any relocation. It's just the above, then right to the yellow cylinder proving this came from a helicopter. Why was this story worth reporting at the time, but not worth repeating a few months later?\n\n== Alleged attacks on hospitals ==\n* [https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/world/middleeast/russia-bombing-syrian-hospitals.html 12 Hours. 4 Syrian Hospitals Bombed. One Culprit: Russia.]- ''The New York Times'', October 13, 2019 ([http://archive.is/e8Q5y archive])\n\n== Analysis ==\n* [http://journal-neo.org/2016/02/21/syrian-hospital-strikes-the-unexpected-war-criminals/ Syrian Hospital Strikes & the Unexpected War Criminals] - Tony Cartalucci, ''New Eastern Outlook'', February 21, 2016\n* [https://www.moonofalabama.org/2019/09/how-the-bbcs-quentin-sommerville-created-fairytales-of-underground-hospitals-in-syria.html How The BBC's Quentin Sommerville Created Fairytales Of Underground Hospitals In Syria] - ''Moon of Alabama'', September 13, 2019\n\n\n[[Category:Syrian rebel groups]]\n[[Category:Hospitals]]"
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                        "*": "Some powerful class of surface-to-surface missiles and/or rockets that had been rocking the city of Aleppo for some weeks at least before [[Jabal Badro Rocket Attack|a February 18/19 barrage]] by what is being described as Scud missiles. This page will seek to sort out some useful details of various reports and especially videos of Syrian opposition having or taking possession or rokets and missiles that are arguably of the class and power to explain these events. Otherwise, they wuldseem to be the work of the professional military that tends to control such weapons, if not as exclusively as it once did.   \n\nThis page is currently a stub. Below are some suggested headings waiting to be filled in. There will be many technical questions on the models and capabilities we see. These we may try to establish to some small degree, and invite input from anyone better situated and willing to register (it's easy!). Other details like the location and actual dates of various finds are more likely to be established here. Likely this will be at the discussion page to start with. \n\n==Rebel Rocket Accusations==\nThe Syrian government's initial explanation for the [[Aleppo University Attack]] of January 15 was two rockets, obviously powerful ones, fired by opposition \"terrorists,\" from Al-Lairamoun district to the northwest. So as of January 15, 2013, at the latest, the authorities have alleged the rebels had such weapons. Rebels denied it, blaming government fighter jets, but the emerging consensus it was an attack by surface-missiles, perhaps Scud-style.\n\nSomeone says, by the title, that this Scud firing is done by rebel defectors. \"Syrian Jihadists launch giant missile.\" I'm pretty sure I've seen the same video branded as Syrian SAA soldiers, which seems more consistent: camouflage + no shouting Allahu Akbar. I call fake re-named video here. --[[User:Caustic Logic|Caustic Logic]] ([[User talk:Caustic Logic|talk]]) 10:05, 27 March 2013 (UTC)\n<center><youtube>z3XupYFuE48</youtube></center>\n\n== Found on Bases ==\n=== Oct. 12, 2012, Aleppo ===\nA missile base was taken by rebels near Aleppo in October, 2012 (details forthcoming)\nA report says \"The air defense Alawite base seized by the freedom fighters was located in al-Tana village by the Koris (Quayres) military airport on the road east from Aleppo to al-Raqqa.\" (Kavkaz Center, [http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content/2012/10/13/16838_print.html Syrian freedom fighters seize Alawite government air base and eliminate 100 Assad's thugs])  Oct. 12 video w/English subtitles: \"Syrian Rebels Take Massive Ammounts of Scud Missiles\" \n<youtube>NKcdXeSa83g</youtube><br>\n:''We liberated an entire regiment in one night in Tanah in Haleb (Aleppo)  ...  (filmed pre-dawn? pretty dark) Missile/rockets seen in silhouette. Could be one of the same places and arrays shown below. Large radar building (?) at 0:15.  At the beginning, at least five long, low vehicles like Scuds are launched from, are shown -perhaps with missiles in place (lighter-colored down the middle). --[[User:Caustic Logic|Caustic Logic]] ([[User talk:Caustic Logic|talk]]) 10:17, 27 March 2013 (UTC)\n\n=== Jan. 22 2013, Aleppo area ===\n<youtube>Ff_9sS02_mY</youtube><br>\n\n=== Feb. 17 Video, location unknown ===\n<youtube>SU2hZv5oV9U</youtube><br>\n\n=== Feb. 23, Deir EzZor area ===\nRebels conquered the alleged nuclear reactor at Kibar? And they found hidden there and then took control of at least two Scud missiles? Enormous, empty building, a big long missile on a truck, possibly a Scud, another truck, no nuclear stuff. Lots of Allahu Akbar. Is this real? Is it functional? Was it planted? Is it where, or when, the video description says? ([http://wikimapia.org/#lat=35.7078758&lon=39.8330676&z=12&l=0&m=b&search=Kibar Wikimapia] - between Deir Ez-Zor and Ar-Raqqah)\n\u062a\u0635\u0648\u064a\u0631 \u062b\u0627\u0646\u064a \u0644\u0635\u0627\u0631\u0648\u062e \u0627\u0644\u0633\u0643\u0648\u062f \u0627\u0644\u0630\u064a \u062a\u0645 \u0627\u0644\u0633\u064a\u0637\u0631\u0629 \u0639\u0644\u064a\u0647 \u0645\u0646 \u0642\u0628\u0644 \u0627\u0644\u062c\u064a\u0634 \u0627\u0644\u062d\u0631 \u0641\u064a \u0645\u0642\u0631 \u0627\u0644\u0643\u0628\u0631 \u0627\u0644\u0646\u0648\u0648\u064a \u0627\u0644\u0645\u062d\u0631\u0631 - Video of the second Scud missile found in the nuclear plant at Kibar\n<youtube>jKEe1urxG2A</youtube><br>\n\n=== March 10, Damascus===\n[https://www.facebook.com/syriaohr/posts/134161633429831 SOHR, March 10]:\n:''Reef Dimashq: Rebel fighters stormed a missile division in the Khan al-Shih area and took hold of large parts of it. Clashes are still ongoing inside the division between regular forces and rebel fighters.'' Missiles they could film, if not make off with and use, were shown on video (below).  \n<youtube>a0U6wwjsrqw</youtube><br>\n\n== Imports ==\nAnother way rebels might get a missile is by importing it across one of the borders. There are at least some crossing at some times they could manage that, there are plenty of people willing to try and supply them with nearly anything, and they\u2019ve had plenty of time by early 2013 to have arranged something like that. The Syrian government would be trying hard to prevent this, and there remains no proof or specific evidence for such a transfer. If we discover anything of the sort, it will be posted here. \n\n== Homemade Rockets ==\n[http://www.facebook.com/syriaohr/posts/338928546215490 SOHR reports, Feb. 18]: \n:''Clashes took place by the police academy in the Khan al-Asal area of western Reef Aleppo, where rebels from several factions, including non-Syrian combatants, have been trying to storm for several months; they are using home-made rockets.''\nThis was a month after the Uinversity attack in western Aleppo. A rebel factory was busted by the authorities in Aleppo (area not clear) on or just before the day of the University attack, according to [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbNk3cu5BaY a SANA video]. Explosives were being made there, it was said, along with custom-made armored vehicles, shown halfway through some fairly high-end work. It\u2019s not hard to imagine the same people trying to work with rocket engines and explosive warheads. ([http://wikimapia.org/#lat=36.1783721&lon=37.087843&z=13&l=0&m=b&show=/19456848/Khan-al-Asal-district Khan Al-Asal] itself, Al-Lairamoun (where the government says the rockets were fired from), and the University are within a five-mile area with only vulnerable checkpoints blocking free movement) The questions of range and power would be most interesting here. All known design specifications would be out the window, and replaced the complex science of rocket production under unknown circumstances, unconstrained by usual norms.\n\nA week earlier, a video suggested rebels had homemade rockets with a range up to 60 km: [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_z5rf38ZwY 10 2 Damascus \u0623\u0648\u063a\u0627\u0631\u064a\u062a \u062f\u0645\u0634\u0642 , \u0636\u0645\u0646 \u0645\u0639\u0627\u0631\u0643 \u0627\u0644\u0642\u0635\u0627\u0635 \u0627\u0644\u0639\u0627\u062f\u0644 \u0635\u0648\u0627\u0631\u064a\u062e \u0645\u062a\u0648\u0633\u0637\u0629 \u0627\u0644\u0645\u062f\u0649 60\u0643\u0645] \"Ugarit News, Damascus, Feb.10 - within battles comeuppance fair medium-range missiles 60 km\").\n<center><youtube>F_z5rf38ZwY</youtube></center>\nWe can't be certain the claim is true, although the rocket does have a rather powerful thrust. But rebels themselves claim to have this, and such a range matters when considering, for example, the [[Alleged chemical attack, March 19, 2013|chlorine gas attack on Khan Al-Assal, Aleppo]], on March 19. The Syrian government's claim (as [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/9950036/Syria-chemical-weapons-finger-pointed-at-jihadists.html reported to Alex Thomson, Channel 4]) is that the rebel rocket responsible for that came from Al-Bab, [http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.256455&lon=37.244339&z=11&m=b&show=/5527775/ here on Wikimapia], 47 km ENE of the target. Only something of about this range or longer would be capable, and as far as most people are concerned, they have none (see where site member Caustic Logic [http://brown-moses.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/a-great-example-of-how-not-to-write.html bring this to the attention of famous rebel weapons expert Brown Moses,] who had no idea there was even a claim of rockets with such range. \n\n== Chlorine IRAMs ==\n:''See also [[Chlorine]] \n* [https://hiddensyria.com/2019/10/18/syrian-rebels-and-chlorine-irams/ Syrian Rebels and \u201cChlorine IRAMs\u201d] - ''hiddensyria'', October 18, 2019 ([https://archive.is/HB9To archive])\n\n\n[[Category:Weapons]]"
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