Talk:Russian non-system opposition

Navalny poisoning claims
Is the suggestion (from Uglev) that Navalny's clothes/underwear were the likely means of the poisoning? And would that imply that the substance reported as being found on his clothes previously is the best lead we have at the moment.? --Diagonal (talk) 08:44, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

This substance is not listed here as a cholinesterase inhibitor.
 * NIH Listing

Uglev is a retired guy who worked on this 30 years ago, and is no longer in the loop. He is opposition-leaning, as well as news channel which interviewed him. So they just chatted about things, like on a talk show program, like of 1 hour or so length. His comments has to do with him saying that it is very difficult to poison somebody with Nk without affecting other people, as this is very toxic. He was wondeing aloud how at all that was possible, and came with the idea that it was applied to clothes. Then it will be absorbed more slowly and give him time to get from hotel to the plane. Since very small amount is needed, if it's on clothes, his line of thinking was that maybe there is a chance it won't affect others. But this is basically his educated guess, he is not in a position to really know what happened. He also talked about Nks, he does not really know what was there, or what could possibly be there. He is a chemical scientist who was in a military project. I do not think he ever has to do with any special services type things who might know what else is out there, somewhere. --Resup (talk) 09:51, 4 September 2020 (UTC)

The whole thing may be actually unknowable. German lab results probably mean that they found something bound to clolinesterase in blood samples that they get (from, maybe MS/CM tests they performed). But (the other side will say) that they are not confident in the chain of custody after Navalnyi left Russia. (That was the reason Rada commission did not believe Yushenko poisoning claim, for example, as it emerged that samples could have traveled to US, or somebody said that they could). The other side also likely have their blood samples. But, treatment could include blood transfusion --pretty sensible in severe poisoning case. (It is not known exactly how Navalnyi was treated in Russia and what exactly tests were done, apaart from a generic statement that it was checked for cholinesterase inhibitors --but not how it was checked). Cholinesterase levels themselves were also not reported by either side --Resup (talk) 11:00, 4 September 2020 (UTC)