Talk:Maidan snipers

Unseen snipers

 * ''Moved from Talk:Unseen Snipers in the Syrian Conflict


 * Syria سورية on Facebook – January 22, 2014
 * ''Ukraine, Unknown snipers/ Funny, Ukrainian opposition (like Syrian opposition) uses pictures from other countries for their propaganda. First picture - from Ukraine, second picture - from Kyrgyzstan (2010).


 * Moscow blames radicals for deadly clashes in Ukraine, EU leaders ponder sanctions against government – RT, Feb 19, 2014
 * ''Twenty-six people were killed overnight in the most violent clashes yet to have occurred between security forces and protesters since the opposition took to the streets of Kiev in November 2013. Ten of the casualties are Ukrainian police officers, who died of gunshot wounds, as did the rest of the victims, the Interior Ministry reported.
 * ''The Ukrainian Ministry of the Interior believes the casualties in the clashes could have been killed by the radicals, because the police do not use fire arms.
 * ''"Taking into consideration the nature of the dead civilians’ wounds and also the nature of the weapons, which have been confiscated, we can assume that these wounds were inflicted by violent protesters,” a statement at the Ministry’s website says. “Police officers and interior troops do not use fire arms. Law enforcers are only using non-lethal weapons.”
 * ''Some of the European leaders have not been convinced and have been quick to lay the blame for the violence on the Ukrainian president.
 * ''Several EU leaders have already spoken of introducing sanctions against the Ukrainian leadership, who they view as responsible for the crisis.


 * Rioters seize over 1,500 guns in Ukraine mayhem - security services – RT, Feb 19, 2014
 * Footage from Tuesday’s clashes showed masked rioters firing pistols and rifles from behind the barricades and ramming police cordons with trucks. Reports from the scene claimed both police officers and rioters were hospitalized with gunshot wounds. The official Kiev health department count said that 19 of the victims were shot by live ammunition. Dozens more police officers received serious wounds, with officials noting that many of them were shot in the head or in the neck with “sniper-like precision.” (original emphasis)


 * Escalation today. Apparently snipers are on the roofs at the Maidan killing dozens in broad daylight. Earlier they targeted police. Here's a video showing people getting shot from behind, the direction of the filmer - see bullet hitting tree at 20 sec in. --CE (talk) 12:30, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * No, the fire is coming from the right, from front of the insurgents. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 17:09, 20 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I said right, but maybe to the left and behind? Slowed and enhanced: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fi5BIOtDeg . Much more and the talk page might be a better spot. The second shooting - WTH? --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:27, 21 February 2014 (UTC)


 * RT crews under fire, armed rioters take over hotel, fire from windows in Kiev – RT, February 20, 2014
 * ''Armed protesters have taken control of Hotel Ukraine, trapping members of the RT crew inside.
 * ''“We were just shot at. It broke a window over here. We were standing centimeters away when a gunshot hit the room where we have our live position,” RT correspondent Aleksey Yaroshevsky said, pointing to the window that had been smashed by the gunfire. He said there were unidentified snipers firing from buildings all around Independence Square.


 * Ukraine crisis: Deadly snipers extinguish lives of Kiev's protesters – David Blair, The Telegraph, 20 Feb 2014
 * The Telegraph counts 29 dead insurgents. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 06:15, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The Syria syndrome hits Ukraine in full force as "demonstrations" turn into a shooting war – John-Paul Leonard, @progresivepres, Feb 22, 2014
 * Idle speculation, some more references. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 06:21, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Videos

 * Shooting people in Kiev / Стральба па пратэстоўцах у Кіеве. (20.02.2014, APTN) – Feb 20, 2014
 * Революцiя Україна Київ Контратака Майдану вул.Інститутська 2014.02.20 – Full video 41 minutes
 * Силовики стріляють бойовими кулями (Siloviki fire fighting bullets) – RadioSvobodaOrg, Feb 20, 2014
 * Ukrainian police fire at protesters in Kiev – video – reposted by The Guardian
 * Here on Facebook it is suggested that the troops are not Berkut at all, but "Right Sector" extremist.
 * Ukraine: Snipers target police in Independence Square – RuptlyTV, Feb 20, 2014
 * ''Anti-government forces armed with hunting rifles took up sniper positions in a downtown Kiev hotel on Thursday, overlooking protesters and police clashing in Maidan Square below. Police marksmen targeted gunmen appearing in the windows as the two groups exchanged live fire.
 * This seems to be a rebel video filmed at the Ukraine Hotel. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 18:59, 20 February 2014 (UTC)


 * 40-minute video: http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=a25_1393030880
 * I can't even see this one over here, old player or not. Will rely on help if enhancements of short clips is needed. Unless it works for me tomorrow. (??) I hear it's extra-brutal, staring after 10:00 anyway (with the part before perhaps holding clues). This one sounds like it'll be important to analyze carefully. --Caustic Logic (talk) 15:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Also copy on youtube. Didn't watch it yet. The uploader has made some "truth" videos, this one showing the snipers up close. He says their weapons are "AKMS" which aren't used by the state anymore but were in that raided weapon depot. No military boots. Yellow armbands - i've seen those on videos of "right sector" worn by their "security" people, but of course that doesn't mean much on its own. --CE (talk) 15:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * I already linked to the original 41 minute video. At 3 minutes you shall see that the "fake Berkut" are defending a museum on Institute Street opposite the Maidan. The claim that these are Right Sector is totally bogus. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 18:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Ah, seeing it now, sorry. However, the one above is implied as a segment, but it's a different video, with the tree shooting. On the long one, maybe the same scenes, but a different angle. I have the Youtube video saved (only way I can even watch it well) Not seeing much that's different - rioters advancing on something official, getting shot in the legs and sutff on occasion. At 35:08 you can see one of their white power crosses they try not to display too much these days. Any interesting points anyone can point me to? --Caustic Logic (talk) 02:41, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Fake Bullet Holes Radio Svoboda YT video, 2:16 I had seen this in a re-posting. I replied to a comment calling the bullet holes in the shield fake. (One hole is square. Pick-axe? The blood where the metal was wounded - real or nail polish? Gunshot or poked fingertip? Not sure) That posting was then deleted (maybe coincidence). This version won't be embarrassed away. Are those comments in Russian or Ukranian or both? That matters. Several claim this is faked, one at least cursing the kid who'd lie to the world like that. These comments have by far the most up-votes, including by me - some have 20+ votes up. (The built-in translation there now is really handy. ) --Caustic Logic (talk) 15:45, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * Yanukovich death squads – Pravyi Sector

Victims

 * (split from above section - many but not all of these were killed by )

Pravda Ukraine List
A list of victims from February 19th and 20th with photos is published by Ukrainian Pravda:
 * Загиблі герої Майдану – pravda.com.ua, 21.02.2014


 * Interesting. This is more when it was just protesters shot? I suspect these were, peaceful, doing nothing. Compared to the list of sniper target characteristics to look for: some kind of effeminate or sensitive looking guys predominate - this one was in Tears for Fears maybe - a longhair - some kind of artist - several middle-aged men (50+ predominates), a 73-year-old, a few in their 30s, a few in their teens, not so many of prime fighting age. No ovious toughs shown. This guy is closest - too pudgy. One is "member of the district council Horodenka Ivano-Frankivsk from Svoboda" I only translated a few. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:40, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Fighting age, or fitness, won't likely matter here like it does in Syria, except with people already recruited. Mainly we should look for visible clues that might suggest a person Nazi thugs would pick to put a bullet in, as a bonus for creating another protester "shot by government sniper" to help "justify" your rampage as you go. --Caustic Logic (talk) 07:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm making a list of Google-translated entries. Unless I counted wrong, there are 68 (I was wrong - 67) protesters/activists/others (it's really a mixed bag) and 11 policemen killed. It'll take too long to finish before posting. Name orders tend to be family first, personal second, but there seem to be exceptions. Only select photos for now. --Caustic Logic (talk) 07:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Sniper vtsilyv he could about Chernivtsi tent " Motherland ", the press service of the regional branch of the party of the "Fatherland ." According to " Bukovinskoy truth" in Chernivtsi Alexander Shcherbaniuk working self-employed, engaged in construction , mainly performing plytochni work. (improved translate or sub-section needed) He left a wife, a sick mother and two children - a son who is studying in class 9 and 20 -year-old daughter. He was very active political activist. On the Square was initially intermittently. Photo: 4438b32-shcherbanyuk.jpg (sunglasses)
 * 1) Aratunyan George, Rivne (region), about 50 years. photo: Svoboda supporter
 * 2) Baydovskyy Sergei, 23 years old, an employee of trunk pipelines "Druzhba". He died from a gunshot wound to the lung February 20, 2014.  He lived in Lutsk, loved the city, most of all he loved his native Ukraine. One of the last quotes on his page "VKontakte" Lev Lukyanenko words: "A nation that is not ready to send the children to death, would not survive ..." He died from a gunshot wound at the Independence Square in Kiev on February 20.
 * 3) Brezdenyuk Valery, 50, Zhmerynka, Ukrainian businessman ebru artist in the art (drawings on the water). Killed shot in the back, February 18, 2014
 * 4) Sergei Bondarchuk, 52, Starokostyantyniv Khmelnitsky region. chytel physics, chairman of the City of Starokostyantinivskiy (Khmelnitsky region) "Svoboda". February 20, 2014 in Kiev, died due to a gunshot wound inflicted by a sniper
 * 5) Sergey Bondarev, 32 years Kramatorska. Programmer. Died February 18 from 4-ball injuries during the first attack on the square. His wife Svetlana eight months pregnant.
 * 6) Vyacheslav Veremiy, a journalist of the newspaper "Vesti", 32 years. Titushky vystrelyly man in the chest. He died in the hospital the morning of February 19, 2014 due to loss of blood from the gunshot wound. Without father left 4-month son Vyacheslav. photo See  below.
 * 7) John Horodnyuk, Berezne Rivne region: He died due to illness, which got on Square (February 19, John returned home from the square, because during the last storm "berkutivtsyamy" doused him with water from water cannons and beat. Turned to doctors started treatment. But at night the young man's heart broke and stopped photo
 * 8) Hrynevych Edward Volyn, 30. He was killed on February 20.
 * 9) Huryk Roman. 19 years. Student Prikarpatsky University, Department of Psychology. From Ivano-Frankivsk. February 19, 2014 Roman killed by sniper about 12:15. Clearly in high. (from above/on high?) photo
 * 10) Sergey Didych, 44, deputy district council Horodenka Ivano-Frankivsk from Svoboda, 44 years. Died February 18, 2014. photo
 * 11) Dvoryanets Antonina, 62-year-old resident of Brovarov. February 18 her body is found on the barricades located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk".
 * 12) Dyhdalovych Andrew and Sokolniki villages (Lviv), 40. photo (looks militant)
 * 13) Zaikov James, 73, Zhytomyr. MP of Ukraine 1 (12) convocation, chief editor of " Voice of the citizen ." February 18, 2014, died of a heart attack to escape the " Berkut " on the street . Instytutska . photo
 * 14) Eugene Kotlyar, 33 years old, from Kharkov. As written on Facebook Vladimir Chystylin , he is known in the " Green Front " on events in Gorky Park . He was killed on February 20. Володимир Чистилін (Facebook page) 373d94f-kotlyar.jpg (photo - kind of a "Goth" looking long-hair guy, "green," possibly considers himself "Pagan" (didn't read)
 * 15) Dmitry Maksimov. Died February 18, 2014 . Silver and bronze medalist in judo Deaflympics in Sofia. Yomuvidirvalo hand grenade . Boy died from blood loss at the House of Unions.
 * 16) Pahor Dmitry Khmelnitsky, 21. He died from a bullet to the head of the SBU in the walls of Khmelnytsky about eight pm, February 19, 2014.
 * 17) Smolynskyy Vitaly Umansky district,. Furmanivka . He died on 20 February.
 * 18) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 19) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 20) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Zaikov James, 73, Zhytomyr. MP of Ukraine 1 (12) convocation, chief editor of " Voice of the citizen ." February 18, 2014, died of a heart attack to escape the " Berkut " on the street . Instytutska . photo
 * 2) Eugene Kotlyar, 33 years old, from Kharkov. As written on Facebook Vladimir Chystylin , he is known in the " Green Front " on events in Gorky Park . He was killed on February 20. Володимир Чистилін (Facebook page) 373d94f-kotlyar.jpg (photo - kind of a "Goth" looking long-hair guy, "green," possibly considers himself "Pagan" (didn't read)
 * 3) Dmitry Maksimov. Died February 18, 2014 . Silver and bronze medalist in judo Deaflympics in Sofia. Yomuvidirvalo hand grenade . Boy died from blood loss at the House of Unions.
 * 4) Pahor Dmitry Khmelnitsky, 21. He died from a bullet to the head of the SBU in the walls of Khmelnytsky about eight pm, February 19, 2014.
 * 5) Smolynskyy Vitaly Umansky district,. Furmanivka . He died on 20 February.
 * 6) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 7) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 8) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Eugene Kotlyar, 33 years old, from Kharkov. As written on Facebook Vladimir Chystylin , he is known in the " Green Front " on events in Gorky Park . He was killed on February 20. Володимир Чистилін (Facebook page) 373d94f-kotlyar.jpg (photo - kind of a "Goth" looking long-hair guy, "green," possibly considers himself "Pagan" (didn't read)
 * 2) Dmitry Maksimov. Died February 18, 2014 . Silver and bronze medalist in judo Deaflympics in Sofia. Yomuvidirvalo hand grenade . Boy died from blood loss at the House of Unions.
 * 3) Pahor Dmitry Khmelnitsky, 21. He died from a bullet to the head of the SBU in the walls of Khmelnytsky about eight pm, February 19, 2014.
 * 4) Smolynskyy Vitaly Umansky district,. Furmanivka . He died on 20 February.
 * 5) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 6) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 7) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Pahor Dmitry Khmelnitsky, 21. He died from a bullet to the head of the SBU in the walls of Khmelnytsky about eight pm, February 19, 2014.
 * 2) Smolynskyy Vitaly Umansky district,. Furmanivka . He died on 20 February.
 * 3) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 4) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 5) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Smolynskyy Vitaly Umansky district,. Furmanivka . He died on 20 February.
 * 2) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 3) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 4) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Smolynskyy Vitaly Umansky district,. Furmanivka . He died on 20 February.
 * 2) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 3) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 4) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Smolynskyy Vitaly Umansky district,. Furmanivka . He died on 20 February.
 * 2) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 3) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 4) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 2) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 3) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 2) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 3) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Hurtsiya Zurab from Georgia 54 years old. Body found at barricade located outside Institute, at the upper entrance to the subway "Khreschatyk ". Lived in Kirovograd. He died of a heart attack.
 * 2) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 3) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 2) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) Schvets Victor, born October 8, 1957, p. Gatnoe Sviatoshynskyi Kyiv Kyiv region. Around one in the morning of 18 February 19, received three gunshot wounds to the abdomen on the Maidan. Express took Viktor to the hospital, but he died on the way . No parent left the child.
 * 2) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."
 * 1) -Shcherbaniuk Alexander, Chernivtsi, 46 years. uuchasnyk all electoral races, the head of the party primary " homeland ."

(forthcoming)
 * Dead police

Vesti Journalist
Entry #9 above: Vyacheslav Veremiy, a journalist of the newspaper "Vesti", 32 years. Titushky vystrelyly man in the chest. He died in the hospital the morning of February 19, 2014 due to loss of blood from the gunshot wound. Without father left 4-month son Vyacheslav. photo

Vesti means News. According to Wikipedia, there are three Vestis - A Russian TV channel until 2010, now Rossiya 24, a newscast of the latter, and also - the only newspaper - Israel's only Russian language daily. Israeli!!! Jew!!! Nazi mobs!!!

But, no ... it's just not a full list. Here is Vesti.ua reporting their reporter's death early on the 19th. Google translated:
 * Early this morning, 19 February, in the Kiev hospital emergency department died correspondent "Kiev" newspaper "Vesti" Vyacheslav Veremei . Late at night on the eve of masked men (неизвестные в масках ) opened fire on our journalist. Doctors fought for several hours life of Fame (celebrity?), but he died on the operating table.


 * Revision of "Vesti " expresses its heartfelt condolences to the families of Vyacheslav . Mourn with you . We also demand that the law enforcement authorities to conduct an investigation as soon as possible and find the killers of our journalist.


 * We appeal to all the witnesses of what happened with the request to provide information that will help find the criminals . Contact email address : info@vesti.ua.

"Masked" is usually not the right word for "helmeted." Police don't usually need to be "identified" and tracked down. The killers are, implicitly, the allies and agents of the (apparent?) new government, and the case might just be dropped now. It could be said this is a lie by a pro-Y news agency. Then, a reported for a pro-Y agency was killed. Hm. Maybe by the government did it to make the "extremists" look bad? Then, it's acknowledged at least that the extremists look bad. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:12, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Patterns
First pass, general: Feb. 18 had the most interesting shootings and deaths, while the 20th had the greatest number and randomness. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:12, 24 February 2014 (UTC)