Category talk:Idlib

Fall of Idlib?
(Denial often accompanies defeat. The Western media denied for six days the fall of the Donetsk airport.)

Ziad Fadel denies that Idlib has fallen to the rebels. (See also Ziad in 2014)
 * IDLIB: BRITISH LIARS CAUGHT AGAIN! IDLIB FIRMLY IN HANDS OF SYRIAN ARMY - Ziad Fadel, 30 March 2015

Older story by Reuters. Again the government denies the fall.
 * Islamist groups seize Syrian city Idlib for first time - Reuters, 28.3.2015

Video: -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:44, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Syria: Idlib 'captured' by Islamist rebels in blow to Assad regime - Euronews, 28 March 2015


 * Even his son accepts it. Well, the videos are quite clear. Took me only a casual look to find the place of this allahuakbarking orgy. Pretty much in the center of Idlib. Good thing is that the town seems to be pretty empty of civilians, so the retreat seems to have been orderly and planned. --CE (talk) 16:06, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Analysis video:
 * Syrian Girl News analyzes Western media acceptance of an al-Qaeda victory (as she sees it) as "rebel/Islamist/opposition" and a welcome blow to "Assad" rule. Not a bad piece. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:50, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Attacks After

 * more alleged chlorine barrel bomb attacks reported, March 29 and 31. See here --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Thomas van Linge ‏tweets Mar 30 #Syria: regime warplanes #Idlib's christian community, rebels and civil defense rush to help. Video linked. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * SHRC March 30: Warplane bombing on al-Shamaliya neighbourhood (Idlib- near Abdul Rahman Al-Ghafaqi School), led to the killings of 32 civilians from the Ramadan family consisting of the father, his children, grandchildren, sisters and brothers.

The victims of the massacre:

- Majida Ramadan, her husband and children. They reach a total of eight victims, including her grandchild and daughter-in-law.

- Khadija Ramadan with her children, grandchildren and her daughters-in-law, reaching a total of 15 victims.

- Ameera Ramadan and her daughters, reaching six victims.

- Sons of the deceased Fatima Ramadan, reaching three victims.

We have it on the word of conquering Islamists that this family really was hit at random by the government and provides another good reason they should be given an air force. But in reality, a targeting that specific and total suggests someone really hated that family. There are always collaborators to take care of when you first take over a city, the people who helped make the previous situation possible, and this Ramadan family (as given) might have had some of those people as members. --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Tweet adds that more were killed, not just the family: 55 total. Photo included - four young children, dusty like shelling victims, but completely intact. And yet, dead. What, did they just suffocate completely in their non-crushing space under the rubble? All four? Hm... --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:07, 6 April 2015 (UTC)


 * Interestingly, VDC has a totally different record. Just to be sure, 3-day span 3-29 to 3-31, Idlib shelling deaths 21 total, 18 in a likely massacre of a family named Theith (with wives, and some unidentified men). Where is this 55 civilins shelling thing? I check for yuks "regime fatalities" list. Whoa. Won't let me pull up a date, but ATM if you just pull up all, the most recent appear. March 30, 63 "regime fatalities" All but one in this massacre. All rank: civilian, from Hama Salamia: Almaboujeh village  2015-03-30  Field Execution. Al Mab`ujah on Wikimapia Notes on one say "More than 60 civilians were slaughtered and burnt in field execution by ISIS when ISIS attacked al-Maboujeh Village in the eastern countryside of Al Salamiia in Hama." 62 entries:

Ahmed Mouahmmed Hashem Attia Muhammad Ali Atfeh Ghada Taj Al Deen Atfeh Wahida Taj Al Denn Atfeh Ahmed Taj Al Deen Atfeh Ghaleb Ebrahim Habeel Ghaleb Ebrahim Habeel Wife Ghaleb Ebrahim Habeel's Daughter 1 Ghaleb Ebrahim Habeel's Daughter 2 Abu Gawhar Abu Gawhar's Wife Abu Gawhar's Son Abu Gawhar's Daughter Ebrahim al-Me'mar Ebrahim al-Me'mar's Wife Joudi Jamal al-Jarmani Ebrahim al-Me'mar's Son Ebrahim al-Me'mar's Daughter Muhsen Fayyad Muhsen Fayyad's Wife Ya'roub Mousa Muhammad Muhammad Muhammad Raheel Habeel Hasan Ref'at Habeel Hussein Muhammad al-Me'mar Hussein al-Me'mar Ahmed Mustafa Abd al-Mu'ti Mustafa al-Haj Nawras al-Haj Yussouf Um Mustafa al-Haj Yussouf Ahmed Mohammed Majed Ahmed Habeel Moussa al-Ali Khaled Moussa al-Ali Moussa Mansour al-Ali Abdulla Moussa al-Ali Abdulla Moussa al-Ali's Wife Noura Hamadi al-Moussa Shehada Hamadi al-Mousa Ya'roub Mohammed al-Mousa Mohammed Atiia Hyam Yousuf al-Ahmed Muhsen Fayyad al-Ahmed Ousama Hashem al-Jundi Khitam al-Sheikh Ali Ali Ousama al-Jundi Laith Ousama al-Jundi Ali Abed Naseef Mukhlef al-Sabbag Mukhlef al-Sabbag's Wife Jamila Fatima al-Dakheel Nawras Hasan Shaheen Nawras Hasan Shaheen's Wife Sarhan Dyab Yaser Ayman al-Me'mar Mohammed Arab

Khudr Hashem Ezzo

Ali Mohammed Azzab al-Ebrahim Alaa' Abd al-Kareem Na'nou' Hekmat Abdulla Ebrahim Dagrour

Khaled al-Deeb --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

This did stand out, and still does; one massacre of about 60 reported here and ignored there, another about the same size the other way around ... and in one case it names the wives (same maiden name) and the other the husbands (different names, about 10 total). However, the VDC does also list what sounds a bit like this Ramadan sisters thing - just a week earlier, in a different town, and quite a bit smaller.
 * March 24, 13 Idlib civilians, killed in Saraqeb, by warplane shelling. "The martyrdom of a group of people as a result of rocket fire from Alsaikoa military plane" To SNHR's Majida, Khadija, Ameera, and Fatima Ramadan, we have only Zahia Ramadan	 (wife of Khaled Alramadan) and Fatima Khaled al-Ramadan, not specified, sounds like their daughter maybe. The other main cluster of people includes four girls named  Ismaeil, with unclear parentage. Check this out: Adnan Ali Haj Ismaeil, Civilian  Adult - Male. And he died alongside three wives, or it sounds like, the wives of three of his brothers (?) Shamseh Haj Ismaeil (wife of Asaad Haj Ismaeil) - Dalal Ibraheem Haj Khalil (wife of Ali Haj Ismaeil) - Roba Abd al-Kareem al-Eido (wife of Ammar Haj Ismaeil). Wife of Adnan, not mentioned.

This doesn't quite sound like the SHRC story either. In fact, that sounds a bit like a hybrid of these other cases. Remains pretty murky. --Caustic Logic (talk) 08:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

SHRC: "warplane shelling" kills "32 civilians from the Ramadan family" and probably citing that, others say "55 people incl 32 from same family." But their own daily summary says "Idlib witnessed the killings of 32 civilians (total); 27 in vacuum missiles and surface-to-surface missile shelling on Idlib and Ma’rra Masreen, among the victims were ten children and nine women and five were killed in clashes with government forces in Idlib." VDC lists 18 on the 30th, not that far off now.

(for al-Majouba Massacre page/section) - SAMA TV, shows govverment forces back in control, but there's bloody spots,m burnt spots, and blown-up spots they show.
 * http://www.ibtimes.co.in/al-mabujeh-massacre-isis-militants-behead-burn-30-civilians-syria-627774
 * http://laht.com/article.asp?ArticleId=2381796&CategoryId=12395
 * http://www.almanar.com.lb/english/adetails.php?fromval=2&cid=20&frid=23&seccatid=20&eid=203762
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wOxBASAGI_s
 * VDC lists 62 soldiers killed by ISIS in Hama between March 20 and 22. Several apparent sets of brothers: killed defending their hometowns?

Syrian Human Rights C-word is surely watching human rights and horrible stuff, and have no love for Assad's tool, ISIS. their daily summary, March 30 Says only this for Hama province: "Additionally an elderly man and his wife were killed in Hama in shelling by government forces." Did they report it the next day? Don't know, actually. Report missing. Should bethis one, considering the pages just before and after (24768 and 24770 are the reports for 3/30 and 4/1) The next day? No. April 1: "Three civilians were killed in Hama; two in clashes with government forces and one under torture in a government prison." They also didn't get it on April 2 ("In Hama four civilians perished, two in shelling and two under torture in a government prison (identified through leaked photographs).") or on March 29 (Hama not mentioned at all). March overview 141 killed in Hama, no detail added there. --Caustic Logic (talk) 09:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)