User talk:PavewayIV

Greetings! You sound like someone who came to contribute, but we block those who don't say at least something. So, you should say something, here or anywhere. --Caustic Logic (talk) 02:16, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * To clarify, we really welcome new members who are real, into our friendly but hectic community. But we also deal with junk/spam/zombie accounts, even with promisingly technical names. Okay, seldom ones with promising names. I don't think I want to block you now or later, but I wouldn't mind spurring you to follow through and contribute. If you don't know wiki markup language, see community portal ... the side-link is missing ATM? Well, see here, then, for typing tips. You may have heard you need a confirmation e-mail first, but sometimes it never comes I hear, but it turns out you can start typing anyway. So as soon as you're ready, give it a try, and go to town here, on one of our talk pages, on a subject page or talk page. I'm curious to see what it is. Cheers! -Adam --Caustic Logic (talk) 07:54, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Just noticed a comment at Whoghouta, Oct. 30, by a Paveway Mk IV, under this post. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:47, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

edit >
Hey PavewayIV, with your latest edit on the Main page talk you deleted two of mine and one of Caustic Logic's edits, in different parts of the page (no problem, I restored them). I wondered how that can happen and came to the conclusion that you must have edited an old version of the page, maybe through clicking on a "diff" or "hist" link in the Recent Pages view. The best way to edit is to go to the current form of the page by clicking on its link, and then go to the subsection you want to edit and click the "edit" link right next to its headline. Like the one right next to "edit >" just above. ;o) This way you make sure you edit the current version, and you have less code to navigate through. And you avoid editing conflicts with other users editing other sections of the page. Thanks! --CE (talk) 11:22, 2 October 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry! I'm kind of confused how I could have done that. I know it's possible to edit a revision, but it says that it's a revision/diff right at the top of the page when you're looking at it. In any case, I'll make sure to go in to edit off the current page. I wonder if I had more than one window open on it at the time for some reason? Hmm..

Resetting password
A message from PavewayIV via Moon of Alabama
 * ''Petri - I've been trying to get my ShoutWiki password reset for almost as long as I had that account. I thought it was linked to my gmail account, but I never get a reset email and emails to support have gone unanswered. I have no idea what other email I might have used when I created the account. I'm not married to the PavewayIV ID, but surely there must be some way to get the damn thing reset through the ShoutWiki gods without me having to create a PavewayV ID.


 * ''Posted by: PavewayIV | Sep 26, 2016 8:12:14 AM | 86

CE, can you do something about this? PavewayIV should have his email set as the "Email this user" link is active. I will try to send him an email. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:52, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Make sure to check the "Email me a copy of my message", maybe you will be able to see in the headers where it went and tell him through some other channel. I don't think I can do anything more here than you can. Including asking one of the staffers to reset the account. --CE (talk) 14:38, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

There a page for resetting a password at Special:PasswordReset. Go there and just fill in your username or email address. In fact I already reset the password for PavewayIV: "A password reset email has been sent." -- Petri Krohn (talk) 17:41, 26 September 2016 (UTC)
 * If nothing else work, can insert underscore or space in username so it is visually the same, Paveway_IV, etc --Resup (talk) 18:11, 26 September 2016 (UTC)

As user page now notes, PavewayIV is back! I too thank the others for help - I would have, but it all happened in my down hours/etc. Paveway, welcome back. I thought you just didn't like us. :) --Caustic Logic (talk) 07:57, 27 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Welcome back, PavewayIV. One tip: Everything here looks very disorganized. Check Special:RecentChanges to see what's really happening. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 17:45, 27 September 2016 (UTC)

Sept. 19 Incident
Regarding: Attack on Red Crescent convoy in Urm al-Kubra

Hey, PavewayIV ... you've been published on this, and I've muddied up our talk page a bit, etc. Does a dedicated space here maybe help you get some points through clearer than trying to wedge in there somewhere? We have a lot of questions you might help with, from the night attack videos and aftermath imagery, especially that odd crater by the boxes. No space shortage I know of, so I'll carve this out just in case. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:37, 27 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Good God this interface baffles me. I didn't realize I could answer your question by editing this section . But by all means, CL - whatever works best from your standpoint. Happy to help however I can. I'm just a bit pressed for time as of late, so I may disappear for a day or two at times. There are these odd, smallish human beings that have developed a kind of parasitic relationship with me. I thought they were elves, but I'm told they're my children. In any case, they seem to require a lot of feeding and other care when I get back from work. --PavewayIV (talk) 03:24, 28 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry to hear about the bafflement, but it seems to be working out. Happy to hear about little people. No pressure. And I have no questions ATM, but you or anyone could ask or work here or wherever. --Caustic Logic (talk) 06:57, 28 September 2016 (UTC)

Tabqa Dam
Debating whether to start a Tabqa Dam page. Not much material besides online discussions at this point. All very tin-foil-hattish and speculation, but if the U.S. does manage to take out the dam (accidentally or intentionally) then many lives at risk. MSM useless as usual, CENTCOM propaganda shows little and hate to rely on ISIS vids. -- PavewayIV (talk) 18:29, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * In general I would say "when in doubt, start a page", but it is useful to take a look at existing wikipedia pages and ask what is lacking there. In this case, I think the history of control during the crisis could be enhanced, and statements about the state of the dam by the respective sides are lacking - but that I have done in the news already. Should there be some catastrophic event (intentionally or not) in the future, a special timeline leading up to it could be useful. Let's knock on wood that this does not happen ... dark age cult leaving with a scorced/drowned earth bang would so fitting, though. I'll be on the story anyway, and if you decide to start a page, I'll update it too with the information I find. --CE (talk) 20:15, 28 March 2017 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, I suggest the images seem valid and should be accepted with only a grain of salt. It suggests something similar to the recent al-Jinah mosque bombing - it's reported US bombs damaged the dam, US shows it's intact, the truth seems to be they damaged part of it, and perhaps for good reason. I recall hearing that ISIS was using the dam as a militant headquarters. Could be the control towers housed that, deserved to be hit, and could be hit without the dam structure being damaged. The problems might be unseen damage, and of course damaged control leaving it unable to be opened, etc. It might be worth a page, but I'm not up to starting one.If one is made, CE's points should be considered, and this could all be cut and pasted to its talk page) --Caustic Logic (talk) 08:29, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Yes, I think Tabqa Dam would merit a page. There is some good analysis by Aldin Abazovic on Twitter. More in this article:
 * US air strikes on Tabqa Dam - Aldin Abazovic, updated...
 * Yes, the U.S. destroyed the control rooms with bunker busting bombs. The slush gates cannot be operated. The reservoir is overflowing and might cause some catastrophic spillover. I cannot see what military purpose destroying the Syrian energy infrastructure might serve. Luckily the U.S. cannot destroy the turbines and the generators as the turbine hall is inside the dam structure itself. (Zaporozhian design first used in the Zaporizhia Dam when it was partially rebuilt in 1945.) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 16:26, 29 March 2017 (UTC)


 * According to former dam engineers (statement released last Tues and conference in Turkey last Wed), they think the hydroelectric plant has been (or soon will be) irreparably damaged. The turbine hall equipment isn't necessarily watertight - think about the giant seals on the turbine rotors, etc. Turbine halls have extensive drain systems run from a designated drain pump room and reservoir (big tank) which is periodically flushed after oil is skimmed, debris filtered, water conditioned, etc. Tabqa engineers said things like tank limit sensors and low oil safety shutoffs all depended on the control room. Without the control room, pumps can fail from lack of oil circulation. Pumps are running now, but will not shut off when drain reservoir is full. Drain reservoir overtopping will flood room, ruining drain pumps and motors. Loss of drain system from motor overheating or flooding means pump room starts flooding main turbine hall. There's nothing like floor drains to the outside - that all goes to the drain pump system. As turbine hall floods, anything electrical that was running is ruined, all turbine hall controls destroyed, pressurized hydraulic seals fail, more water runs in from places like turbine/stator seals. Turbine hall not designed to hold water, so something eventually has to give when hall starts filling. And turbine hall is connected by regular doorways on either end to towers with control rooms. You can't automatically assume turbine hall is undamaged just because spillways look intact. It might be completely burnt out by now for all we know.


 * I'm reading a lot of that into brief statements by the dam engineers, but they seem genuinely worried. The US and CJTF-OIR have an intense propaganda... sorry, PSYOPS... campaign going on to eliminate concerns about the dam.


 * Tinfoil hat warning: Personally, I think they completely screwed up a Spec Ops effort to take over the dam. Collapsed roof panels are standard operating procedure for helicopter rope rappelling into target structure. First, cut power. Then fly in a few laser-guided inert BLU-109 hard target penetrators to kill or shake up anyone inside. AC-130s then drop roof panels with artillery or chain gun. Smoke, riot gas or *other* naughty incapacitating agents go in next, followed by SF-types dropping in from helicopter. In Tabqa's case, they would have been accompanied by other SF-types in a waterborne assault from the reservoir. All blacked out and everyone with night vision goggles. They practice this all the time. Idea would be to occupy the dam after clearing. Either something went wrong, or it went right but they decided to leave for some reason. Odd since the dam/structures are easily defense-able once you hold them.


 * Regardless of my speculation on the military op, there is good reason to think the hydroelectric plant is ruined or on it's way to being ruined. Dams have no auto-pilot. It's a machine that runs even when the turbines are not producing electricity. They are not designed to be unmanned ever, and certainly not for days at a time. Many questions just about the ability of the irrigation channel gates to keep the dam from over-topping. Engineers estimated about 30 days at current Lake Assad inflow. Maybe CJTF-OIR and SDF figured it would only take a few days to overrun Tabqa. I don't know, but the situation is more serious than they're letting on.