Talk:Jdeidat Al-Fadel Massacre

Video Analysis
3 videos from SOHR report:
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K11nD9Idyho&feature=youtu.be
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EWgG9LtA-Y&feature=youtu.be
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyBDX9QVcOE&feature=youtu.be
 * This is the one with the gory images. Right off, a possible rebel fighter, face obliterated, leather jacket. Five other apparently civilian men bagged up outside a doorway, various ages, teen to middle-aged, executed, hands bound in front, etc. Inside, under blankets, very dark, four more bodies. Adjusted my screen's gamma and it's like night vision. Two young kids, a woman, a grown male, maybe teenager. Causes unclear -woman might have a throat injury. The mood of how the rebel covers the woman back up upsets me. Disdain and dislike, seems like. Was he involved in the rape? Another Shabiha home invasion the rebels are able to film after the "regime" chased them out, but they come back unopposed and document the evidence, whatever... The usual obvious bullshit. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Some Sources

 * Guardian Live Blog
 * This has many entries on the subject, from all quarters. "Syria's opposition coalition claims 566 people were killed in the "massacre"," and got the place's name wrong: "News sources confirm [by reporting "activists say"] that the Assad regime has committed horrifying civilian massacres in the besieged villages of Artouz al-Fadl and surrounding areas." Further, they whine "We no longer expect to be supported with the necessary arms to empower the Free Syrian Army to defend our people," and they're almost finished with the passive-aggressive stuff, even. Local Coordinating Committees: "After clashes between the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and regime forces, and despite the FSA’s withdrawal to save civilian lives..." "Nadim Houry from Human Rights Watch notes that the details are still vague and hard of verify," regime's fault. He tweeted: "Details from Jdaidet al-Fadel still fuzzy.But so far,reports echo Daraya events last August:Indiscriminate shelling then executions." Susan Ahmad in Damascus: "After the Free Syrian Army withdrew snipers spread everywhere. They shot children just because they came close to windows. How can Assad’s forces say that they are fighting terrorists?" William Hague is cited too, appalled. But they also included a pretty detailed explanation from a Syrian military source that comes across making at least as much sense at everyone else. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:43, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Whining, you say? ;o)

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 * --CE (talk) 11:10, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
 * I swear that guy was Jim Henson's final master work. What a hoot. Satan! It's a conspiracy! --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:31, 23 April 2013 (UTC)


 * The Syrian army decided to launch an attack to clear out the district of Jdeidet al-Fadel in response to repeated calls for help from civilians who have suffered so much since rebels stormed the district few weeks ago. The district is known to support the Syrian government. Residents said family members were being murdered. And more than 20 soldier and 50 civilians were reported kidnapped in the district by the rebels.


 * First the army had to deal with snipers who were deployed all over the district in homes in residential areas. Some of the homes involved had been abandoned others had been taken by force as a base for snipers. Two officers and many soldiers had been killed by these snipers. Residents in the area provided information about the hideouts, which proved very useful. After getting rid of most of the snipers, the army started to enter the area's four districts one at a time. Soon afterwards, very fierce clashes broke out. More than 80 rebels were killed.


 * On the second day another officer was injured and many soldiers were killed, but about 40 rebels were also killed. The rebels began to retreat and the Syrian army advanced into the third section of the district – the most dangerous. That was where most of the rebels had pulled back to. The army began using artillery and tanks. More than 70 rebels were killed and many others arrested.


 * Then the army began to comb the fourth section where soldiers found a mass grave. Rebels claimed a massacre was committed, but it was a grave for dead rebels and civilians and troops that they had killed. As the army started excavating the mass grave, rebels started firing RPGs and mortar rounds. The Syrian army responded with artillery and tank fire. During the attack the Syrian army killed a notorious terrorists called Muhammed Jameel Noufel. It also confiscated many weapons left by the rebels.


 * The rebels always commit massacres themselves to try to pin the blame on the army. They burned the bodies to cover up their crimes.

He cited a video they even passed on: (disturbing content) UBYz49fHXP8


 * A Washington Times report cites a YNet report, which in turn cites CNN, but I like the first one better. It says, in part:
 * The majority of the bodies — at least 450 — were discovered in a suburb of Damascus called Jadidat al-Fadel, Ynet reported. That’s where 3,000 of President Bashar Assad’s military just stormed; among the dead are 300 civilians and 150 Free Syrian Army fighters, said LCC activist Abu Aasy, in Ynet. Also on Sunday, 85 bodies were discovered in the wake of a days-long rebel battle with Syrian government forces, this time in the Damascus suburb of Jdeidet al-Fadel.
 * Mostly women and children were killed in that battle, described as a “massacre” by Syrian opposition activists, Ynet reported.


 * SOHR: Regime forces take full control of Jdeidat al-Fadl. Reports of 250 dead.
 * Reef Dimashq: Regular forces have taken over the town of Jdeidat al-Fadl and its surrounding area fully after storming it today. Reports from the town that more than 250 people were killed during the past 5 days of violence. The SOHR has documented 80 deaths so far, they include 3 children, 6 women and 71 men (19 were rebels). Activists from the area report that several were summarily executed, as well as killed by the bombardment and clashes.

3 videos included, moved above. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:25, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Some More Sources

 * CNN Syrian activist group: Record number of dead bodies found
 * Washington Post
 * United States Appalled
 * YallaSouriya
 * Reuters
 * Al-Arabiya
 * SANA
 * Units of the Armed Forces targeted terrorists' dens and gatherings in Jdaydat al-Fadel, Darayaa, al-Dmaer, Knaker, Hajjera and al-Husenia in Damascus Countryside, killing and injuring several terrorists, in addition to destroying their equipment.


 * An official source told SANA that an Army unit killed several terrorists in Jdydat al-Fadel, including the terrorists Alaa al-Khmeis and Fakhri Shabraq. The source pointed out that the operations in Jdaydat al-Fadel is about to end after a series of special operations against terrorists' dens and gatherings.

SyrPer
SyrPer has been very jubilant in the last days: scores and scores of rats killed.
 * DAMASCUS: JUDAYDAT AL-FADHL LIBERATED AND PURIFIED.  CITIZENS ECSTATIC.  FREE AT LAST.
 * We are delighted to inform all of you that the enemy is in tatters as we write. The discredited propaganda machine in the West is now trying to foment anger by inventing stories of massacres and mass graves in the suburb of Jdaydat Al-Fadhl.  The only problem with that howler is that the SAA just cleansed the area and it was the rats who were in control for a short time.  The so-called "Syrian Lavatory for Human Rights" in England was the first to announce this preposterous story.  Be advised, o' readers, that the only dead bodies in the area are those of the terrorist rats which the Syrian army killed to the tune of 547.  This number is not made up.  Syrian Military Intelligence has counted the number of terrorists killed in this stunning attack the day before yesterday on this area.
 * For several weeks the SAA, security personnel and militia had been forcing many of the cockroaches to gravitate in the direction of this suburb out of Daraayyaa in order to finish them off as they concentrated in, what they thought, were defensible positions.  The secret to the whole affair was a network of informants the SAA had among them who kept providing detailed Intel to the High Command.  It does not take a genius to figure what happened after that.  Artillery and pin-point accurate snipers did the rest.  It also did not help the rats when they found out there were no more caches of weapons in the area.
 * This is a major victory for the SAA and militia. It now means the rats have no place to gather near the capital. It is a fact that the only hope put out for them now is to try to secure a position in the Der'ah area close to Jordan.  But that is another story.
 * At Khaan Al-Shaykh, disgusted citizens took up arms against the rats and killed 4 of them. These were Jabhat Al-Nusra scavengers who had sucked the lifeblood out of the people in this area.  Businessmen hired professional guards and joined them in killing every one they could see.  Monzer reports that another 3 surrendered, were beaten up by the citizens, and then turned over to security.

The same material is also posted to LiveLeaks. I do not know which is the original source. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:14, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

Location
This exchange on Twitter:
 * NMSyria ‏@NMSyria 21 Apr
 * Regime forces are conducting raids on homes in Jdaydet Artouz Al-Fadl after capturing the cities.
 * Elizabeth Tsurkov ‏@Elizrael
 * @NMSyria Is Jdeidat al-Fadl next to Jdeidat Artouz? I cannot find it on any map. I want to write an update about it on my Syria fb page.
 * NMSyria ‏@NMSyria 21 Apr
 * @Elizrael Separated by the main road. Artouz is south, Fadl is north.

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:29, 23 April 2013 (UTC)