Talk:Bucha massacre

Precedents
Eleven years ago I and Adam Larson spent a lot of time analyzing what we called the "Khamis Brigade Massacre" in Tripoli, Libya.

Behind a military base was a shed that was used as a morgue. Some 50 dead Libyan solders had been collected there. When NATO forces reached the base they set the bodies on fire. They then claimed that these were "civilians that Gaddafi had massacred." Every Western media repeated the lie!

http://libyancivilwar.blogspot.com/2011/08/tripoli-massacres-50-charred-skeletons.html

Russian MoD statement
⚡️🇷🇺Russian Defence Ministry denies accusations of Kiev regime of allegedly killing civilians in Bucha, Kiev Region

❗️All the photos and videos published by the Kiev regime allegedly testifying to some "crimes" committed by Russian servicemen in Bucha, Kiev region are just another provocation.

▫️During the time that the town has been under the control of the Russian armed forces, not a single local resident has suffered from any violent action. Russian servicemen have delivered and distributed 452 tonnes of humanitarian aid to civilians in Kiev Region.

▫️For as long as the town was under the control of the Russian armed forces and even then, up to now, locals in Bucha were moving freely around the town and using cellular phones.

❗️The exits from Bucha were not blocked. All local residents were free to leave the town in northern direction, including to the Republic of Belarus. At the same time, the southern outskirts of the city, including residential areas, were shelled round the clock by Ukrainian troops with large-calibre artillery, tanks and multiple launch rocket systems.

❗️We would like to emphasise that all Russian units withdrew completely from Bucha as early as March 30, the day after the Russia-Ukraine face-to-face round of talks in Turkey.

▫️Moreover, on March 31, the mayor of Bucha, Anatoliy Fedoruk, confirmed in a video message that there were no Russian servicemen in the town, but he did not even mention any locals shot in the streets with their hands tied.

▫️It is not surprising, therefore, that all the so-called "evidence of crimes" in Bucha did not emerge until the fourth day, when the Security Service of Ukraine and representatives of Ukrainian media arrived in the town.

▫️It is of particular worry that all the bodies of the people whose images have been published by the Kiev regime are not stiffened after at least four days, have no typical cadaver stains, and the wounds contain unconsumed blood.

❗️All this confirms conclusively that the photos and video footage from Bucha are another production by the Kiev regime for the Western media, as was the case in Mariupol with the maternity hospital, as well as in other cities.

https://t.me/mod_russia_en/656

Photos

 * https://mobile.twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1510547460875243529
 * https://twitter.com/lesiavasylenko/status/1510524535879131141
 * https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1510605684668342274
 * https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1510606909895815172
 * https://twitter.com/DmytroKuleba/status/1510597482597736458

Video

 * https://twitter.com/ViktoriiaUAH/status/1509985789404459011
 * https://twitter.com/vertiporokh/status/1510510799336398850
 * https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1510372750665433089
 * https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1510576059984527361
 * https://twitter.com/revishvilig/status/1510608649193938949
 * https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1510608084447776776
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WUH-3ePHO-w

Pavel Gubarev on Telegram
Pavel Gubarev on Telegram, translation posted as a comment on Saker's blog:
 * ''Regarding what happened in Bucha, I can add my 5 kopecks after Alexander Kots. From 2 to 31 I was part of the battalion in this direction. In all the settlements occupied by our military, the movement of civilians along the street was carried out with a white bandage on their left arm. I saw this in Ivankovo, Krasny Rog, Maryanovka and other settlements where we went on combat missions.
 * ''I guess the following happened. After the withdrawal of the RF Armed Forces from this theater of operations following the results of negotiations in Turkey, the Armed Forces of Ukraine began to enter cities and villages and unintentionally (and I do not exclude that on purpose) opened fire on men with a white bandage on their hands. It happened en masse. And when they realized that they were massacring civilians, it was decided to present this crime of theirs as the work of the RF Armed Forces.
 * ''Private of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, Pavel Gubarev

Top comments on Ukrainian police video

 * Special forces of the National Police are cleaning up the city of Bucha - National Police of Ukraine, April 2, 2022 (archive)
 * Currently, the city employs fighters of the established special purpose regiment of the SAFARI National Police, which includes representatives of special police units, fighters of KORD and Thor, as well as specialists of the explosives service. Today, April 2, in the liberated city of Bucha, Kyiv region, special units of the National Police of Ukraine began clearing the area of ​​saboteurs and accomplices of Russian troops. Specialists of the Explosive Ordnance Disposal Service inspect the places of war crimes of the Russian Federation and seize explosive devices and ammunition that have not detonated. Law enforcement officers inspect every yard and shelter, communicate with people and provide assistance to local residents. Citizens who had to endure the horrors of the occupation are helping the police as much as possible. The police are doing everything possible to restore law and order in the liberated territories,

1,351 Comments


 * Lyudmila Brykova, 4 hours ago (188)
 * The same question as everyone else: where were those killed on the way at the time of the entry of the Armed Forces of Ukraine? The dead appeared later, under the Armed Forces of Ukraine. The state should protect citizens, not kill without trial and investigation!
 * Kefir Aladiev, 14 minutes ago (8)
 * very unlucky that you recorded this video now it is very good for us)
 * MAXIM SOKOLOV. 12 hours ago (230)
 * It is convenient and safe to carry out a “cleansing” when there has been no one there for 3 days
 * Sea Man, 13 hours ago (95)
 * I watched this video and understood what it was about, it seemed to start like a terrifying movie, and my aunt smiles, nothing terrible is visible on her face
 * Mikhail Belousov, 31 minutes ago (edited) (16)
 * The only people they can clear out of the city are civilians. They are good at this
 * Eugene Smart, 10 hours ago (63)
 * From whom did you clean up from grandmothers and children, the theater of the absurd where were you when the Russian army was there! ,, defenders ,,)))
 * vintage dress, 3 hours ago (125)
 * We drove into the city, talked to people, then they were killed and laid out along the road. Cool defenders
 * Alex, 9 hours ago (313)
 * Ummm one question ... Where are all the bodies that all our media are trumpeting about? The National Police was the first to enter Bucha, and then there was not a single body on the street (except for the first seconds) ... And after entering, well, the police were already asking the media, and suddenly terrible shots appeared ...
 * WayDownWeGo, 7 hours ago (175)
 * Just great guys! We entered the city when there were no more Russian troops. And the next day they publish a video that the Russians left behind heaps of corpses. In this video, apparently these civilians are still alive.
 * Anna Nekhokhlova, 7 hours ago (159)
 * No corpses, no complaints about corpses, just hypocritical smiles like "we were waiting for you" ...
 * Andrey Chelentanov, 8 hours ago (235)
 * Handsome! Thank you for the video... now it's clear after whom the corpses appeared on the streets... after this cleansing.
 * Amalagus, 9 hours ago (99)
 * The same warriors the next day cleared the city of the civilian population, do I understand the story of the corpses on the streets correctly?
 * MrTheMamash, 8 hours ago (167)
 * What is it? That the Armed Forces of Ukraine took the abandoned city on the 2nd without corpses on the streets? Then why did a mountain of corpses appear on the streets on the 3rd after their cleansing? It turns out that during the night they shot all those who disagreed without trial or investigation?
 * Murad Bulatov, 9 hours ago (187)
 * Video from the second of April, why didn’t a single corpse, which everyone is talking about today, get into the frame? Video from the second of April, why didn't a single corpse get into the frame, which everyone is talking about today?