File talk:Saur Mogila 17 July 2014.jpg

Wrong date. 2016-04-27 on the page. --Caustic Logic (talk) 00:16, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Jeez, wrong time of day for posting. Thought 2014 was 2016, suspected current/future event mix-up. Presume it's right then, Sry, can leave for fun. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:47, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Wrong time claimed? Look at the white wall of a building in the lower left (well-visible). There is a shadow on the wall of that building. It is made by a bush, to the right from the wall. This places Sun to the right of the photo. As we are looking from Torez to Saur Mogila (SSE), right means WWS (roughly, West). Using Sun calculator, find Torez, date 17 july 2014, time zone GMT + 2 +DST (or just GMT +3 without DST). Don't forget to press "execute" after any changes, or it won't be implemented. At 11 am, dated by Mr. Aleynikov, the Sun will be right on Saur Mogila, shining into camera. One can do better job with geolocations, but Sun at WWS is roughly 16:00 local. 19:00 is not totally out, but this is near sunset, at 20:**, and at WWN. We by now seem to know well where is his building, balcony, so those considerations perhaps may be improved (but we only roughly know where the Sun is, based on some shadows) --Resup (talk) 14:00, 1 May 2016 (UTC)


 * If, coincidentally, there's a wrong time involved ... let's catch it. But not that I know of. I'm only sure it's not any time on 17 July, 2016. I'd bet money on that. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:29, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * You would win such bet as 17 of July 2016 is forward to the future. What about shadows ?--Resup (talk) 15:05, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * I dunno, short on time. You probably have it, FWIW. What's it worth? --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:50, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Well that meduza is saying that he sent him the first 3 NEF files for meduza to confirm date and time. But if in the preceding file that info is fake, there is something fishy going on, is it not? (But I am unsure where is that white wall building on google Earth, and which of those multiflat buildings is his; also Saur Mogila is pretty far from there, like 25-30 km may be, so is this tall feature on photo horizon really Saur Mogila? --Somebody says it is)--Resup (talk) 00:14, 2 May 2016 (UTC)
 * In Petry's reference, quite some work is done o this, including better visible shadow on white wall; they did some geolocation but it is not really clear where are those buildings located, just some dots somewhere. The reference also makes a claim that this plume of smoke is recorded on another photo, which is dated 16 July 2014 at about 19:00 pm. Ukrainian plane was shot nearby at about this time (ps near dusk-sun low at this time).

His apartment is here (google) yandex,  according to. (Unsure which building exactly; two elevator shafts, and a similar building right across is shown by latter source) --Resup (talk) 15:48, 1 May 2016 (UTC)
 * Saur Mogila. One tall pipe near apartment is here, another there; may be not the brick pipe seen on photo (first one seems better matched)--Resup (talk) 11:48, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Pavlo Aleynikov: Со стороны Саур-Могилы слышны звуки взрывов от установки залпового огня. (From the direction of Saur Mogila, explosions from multiple rocket launcher systems are heard). 1:27 AM - 17 Jul 2014 as timed by twitter --Resup (talk) 11:16, 2 May 2016 (UTC)

Chervonnyi Zhovten, from where 'witnesses of a missile launch' all seem to hail, yandex, google