Attack on Red Crescent convoy in Urm al-Kubra



A Syrian Red Crescent aid convoy was attacked at a warehouse in Urm al-Kubra (أورم الكبرى - Big Orem‎‎, also transliterated Urum, Uram / Urem al-Kubra etc.) west of Aleppo on September 19, 2016. At least 18 out of 31 trucks were said to be destroyed with some 10-12 people reported killed - a number later raised to about 20, and then 31. The attack is said to have happened around 7:10-7:30 pm, right after the 7 day ceasefire ended at 7 pm and the Syrian and Russian air forces restarted airstrikes.

The United States and allies have placed the blame on a Russian or Syrian airstrike, and insisted Russia be held responsible either way. Russian and Syrian authorities have offered some alternative explanations that the convoy was attacked by armed groups on the ground, and/or by a 'predator' drone overhead at the time.

The convoy came from government controlled west Aleppo with government clearance and opposition acceptance. The convoy was monitored by a Russian reconnaissance drone with real time streaming on YouTube. It sat parked in Islamist-rebel-administered areas for about six hours or more before the attack. It's unknown whether any terrorist surveillance became aware of their presence.

The attack happened two days after the US airstrike on Syrian Arab Army in Deir ez-Zor, and just as the United States and Russia were set to coordinate their air offensives against Islamic State, as well now as against Jabhat al-Nusra, which will clearly be complicated now, at best.

Activist claims

 * مجزرة أورم الكبرى 19-9-2016 (Urm Kubra massacre 19/09/2016) - Syrian Civil Defense - Aleppo (Facebook)
 * ''Today, at 7:12 PM, regime helicopters targeted a Syrian Red Crescent warehouse in the town of Urem in the western countryside of Aleppo
 * ''A total of four regime helicopters targeted it with 8 barrel bombs.
 * ''Russian aircraft then stuck the location with cluster bombs, preventing the civil defense from reaching the location of the attack, giving first aid to those requiring it and removing the dead bodies.
 * ''25 vehicles have been burnt and the fire has not yet been put out.
 * ''The head of the Syrian Red Crescent, Omar Barakat, was killed along with eight of his staff.
 * ''More than ten drivers have been burned to death.
 * ''The video was recorded this evening by a member of the civil defense at the location of the attack.


 * Comments heard on the video: first attack, 'regime helicopter with 4 barrels'; second attack, 'regime attacked this place again'


 * Another activist video, "civil defense ourm 19-9-2016" caption, Published on Sep 20, 2016 label. Time = ?
 * 1:19 shows irregularly shaped piece of metal taken from a hole in the ground, interpreted as a bomb (barrel bomb)
 * fires and smoke are seen, and some medicine on the ground. A burning truck (1:58), followed by undamaged truck with damaged tires
 * different story is presented, and S5 missile use alleged (how does he know, and why this is brought up now?)

Mixup with UN convoy
Much of the media and its readers are mixing up the UN convoy that never entered Syria with this SARC convoy that came from west Aleppo. This false information is constantly repeated by Western media, even two weeks after the attack.


 * Russia deploys advanced anti-missile system to Syria for first time, US officials say - Lucas Tomlinson, Fox News, October 04, 2016
 * ''Two weeks ago, a UN aid convoy was bombed, killing dozens of aid workers attempting to deliver critical supplies to the more than 200,000 Aleppo residents trapped inside the eastern portion of the city, once Syria’s most populated.

Video

 * Russian reconnaissance drone monitoring Syrian ceasefire (Streamed live) - RT, Streamed live 11 hours ago
 * The video at 1:00:20 shows the warehouse with the trucks. (screenshots)
 * Aid convoys up in flames in rural west Aleppo. Civil Defence at scene describe what happened FSA Platform - White Hemlet at the scene, night-time, fires burning, speaking in English at the Red Crescent center, he blames helicopters for the first part of the attack, gets cut off before explaining the second attack.
 * Apparent part 2 to the above continuing explanation and showing the scene
 * The moment of the bombing of a convoy of Russian warplanes of the Syrian Red Crescent aid in the major town of Orme in the countryside of Aleppo # (full dark, fires already burning, seen from a distance, then a powerful double blast, possible jet noise preceding - video starts just seconds before this and goes for 3:00 after)
 * Centre of the Syrian Red Crescent, which has been the main target dozens of air strikes from warplanes (burning wreckage)
 * Aerial bombardment on the Aleppo province kills 32 civilians, targeting a convoy of humanitarian aid (Euronews Arabic report, varied footage)
 * The effects of mass winning at the Red Crescent building by the Russian air raids overnight Next-day site video shows bombing effects and location
 * Starts with blaming Russia (rusie)(?) 1:36 street washing; 1:46 bobcat/loader.


 * Nighttime videos of attack: @saifalsham2, Aleppo24 News, one more + thiqa agency
 * The first three seem to be taken from about the same location. They show the same 2-story building in the foreground.
 * More aftermath videos: 1 2 3 4 (Syria alhorh - unique views behind truck #1) 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12

Photo

 * Jake Godin on Twitter: Daylight photos from site where @SYRedCrescent was bombed yesterday in western #Aleppo starting to emerge. Here are some from @AleppoAMC"
 * more from the same user (Originally from Aleppo Media center)
 * detail of damaged car run with AP report
 * Reuters gallery (HD), UPI gallery
 * Collection of photos on the CIWCL page on Facebook
 * "OFAB 250-270 tail" in the alleged SARC warehouse; 92 kg of high explosives and cardboard boxes surviving nearby? What's next?twitter, 12:12 PM - 20 Sep 2016. Said to be from BBC video. Newer photos however show that unexploded Russian OFAB-250 bomb is nothing more lone tail section evidently planted at the site.
 * UPI report with gallery of seven unique photos with helpful views (more)

News

 * The Latest: Airstrikes hit aid convoy in Aleppo province - AP, September 19, 2016
 * ''The aid convoy was part of a routine dispatch from government-held Aleppo to rural rebel-held parts of the province. There was no immediate comment from the government.
 * Elizabeth Tsurkov ‏@Elizrael on Twitter
 * ''The trucks left regime-held areas. Their exit was coordinated with the regime. Russian drones w cameras followed the convoy's movements.
 * Syria conflict: US 'outraged' over aid convoy attack - BBC'', September 20, 2016
 * ''The Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, a UK-based monitoring group, said the attacks were carried out by either Syrian or Russian aircraft.
 * ''It added the dead included the Syrian Arab Red Crescent volunteers and drivers.
 * ''The UN aid chief Stephen O'Brien said if the "callous attack" was found to be deliberate it would amount to a war crime.
 * UN suspends all convoys in Syria after attack on aid trucks AP Sept. 20
 * In Geneva, spokesman Jens Laerke of OCHA said on Tuesday that further aid delivery would hold pending a review of the security situation in Syria in the aftermath of the airstrikes. Laerke called it "a very, very dark day... for humanitarians across the world."
 * At least 12 aid workers killed in Syria airstrike - Erin Cunningham, The Washington Post, September 20, 2016
 * ''NEW YORK – At least a dozen humanitarian aid workers, and an unknown number of civilians, were killed Monday in an airstrike on a convoy delivering assistance west of Aleppo that the Obama administration said was likely launched by the Syrian government or Russia.
 * ''“We know it was an airstrike and not one from the coalition. We don’t know if it was Russia or the regime,” the only others flying over Syria, a senior administration official said. “In either case, the Russians have a responsibility certainly to avoid doing it themselves, but also to keep restraint on the regime.”
 * ''In a statement issued late Monday, the State Department said, “The destination of this convoy was known to the Syrian regime and the Russian federation and yet these aid workers were killed in their attempt to provide relief to the Syrian people.”
 * CBS News, Sept. 20:
 * President Bashar Assad’s government and its key backers in Moscow, however, finally offered comment on the incident Tuesday, flatly denying any responsibility. Russia’s Defense Ministry said no Russian or Syrian aircraft had carried out the strikes, and claimed only rebel factions knew the precise whereabouts of the aid convoy.
 * “We have strong indications -- not just from our own information, but from the United Nations, from the Syrian Arab Red Crescent, from the White Helmets -- the first responders who so bravely serve the Syrian people -- that this was an airstrike that led to these deaths,” a senior administration official told CBS News on Tuesday. “We know it wasn’t an airstrike by the coalition that we work with. That only leaves two possibilities for people -- for nations that are operating in the air in Syria, and in any case Russia is responsible for its side of this equation and will need to speak to whatever information it has about how this came about.” 
 * Russian, Syrian Air Forces did not strike UN aid convoy in Aleppo - Russian MoD, RT, Sept 20, 2016
 * ''“Russian and Syrian warplanes did not carry out any airstrikes on a UN humanitarian aid convoy in the southwest of Aleppo,” Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov said in a statement Tuesday.
 * '' "Around 13:40 Moscow time (10:40 GMT) the aid convoy successfully reached the destination. The Russian side did not monitor the convoy after this and its movements were only known by the militants who were in control of the area,” Konashenkov added.
 * UN rows back from describing Syria convoy attack as air strikes Reuters via Asia Times, September 21, 2016
 * The United Nations rowed back on Tuesday from describing an attack on an aid convoy in Syria as air strikes, saying it did not have conclusive evidence about what had happened.
 * After the Russian explanation, the UN put out a revised version of an earlier statement, removing wording on "air strikes" and replacing it with references to unspecified "attacks."
 * UN humanitarian spokesman Jens Laerke said the references to air strikes in the original statement, attributed to the top UN humanitarian officials in the region and in Syria, were probably the result of a drafting error.
 * "We are not in a position to determine whether these were in fact air strikes. We are in a position to say that the convoy was attacked," he said.
 * one copy as "UN backtracks on description of attack on Syria aid convoy as 'air strikes'" since replaced
 * UN unsure if ‘air strikes’ behind convoy attack - al-Arabiya, September 20, 2016
 * Original title: ''UN: Syria convoy attack ‘could be war crime’
 * US coalition Predator drone spotted at time & place of Syria aid convoy attack – Russian military - RT, September 21, 2016
 * ''“On the evening of September 19, in that specific region, a drone belonging to the international condition, which had taken off from the Incirlik air base in Turkey, was flying at a height of 3,600 meters and traveling at around 200 kilometers per hour,” said Russian Defense Ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov.
 * ''“The object was in the area around the town of Urm Al-Kubra, where the convoy was a few minutes before it caught fire,” Konashenkov added. “It left after about 30 minutes.”
 * Discussed on talk page.


 * U.N. Was Warned of Airstrikes Before Ill-Fated Convoy Left - Wall Street Journal, September 20, 2016
 * ''‘Airstrikes are not a reason to stop the convoy,’ U.N. official wrote after opposition warned of danger from Syrian government
 * ‘Why did they wait to kill us?': How the attack on the aid convoy near Aleppo unfolded, Washington Post September 24 2016
 * ''On a clear afternoon last Monday a line of humanitarian aid trucks eased to a stop in front of a cluster of warehouses packed with aid supplies 15 miles outside the Syrian city of Aleppo.
 * ''Omar Barakat, director of the local Red Crescent branch, supervised the loading of the 31-vehicle convoy, which was scheduled to drive into the battered city that evening. Hours later, Barakat would be dead, his body one of 20 strewn through the convoy’s burning wreckage after airstrikes hit the idling trucks.
 * Kerry's ceaseless diplomacy faces sternest test on Syria, Reuters, 25 Sept. 2016
 * ''After last week's bombing of a U.N. aid convoy in Syria dealt a death blow to a ceasefire deal in which he had invested all his diplomatic capital with Russia ...(etc.)
 * ''"I listened to my colleague from Russia, and I sort of felt a little bit like they're sort of in a parallel universe here," said a visibly angry Kerry, effectively calling Lavrov a liar for blaming the United States for spoiling the ceasefire.


 * Sept. 30: UN opens an investigation, SG Ban urges "all sides" to cooperate. (France 24)
 * September Attack on UN Aid Convoy in Syria Well-Prepared Hoax, Investigators Say - Sputnik, October 5, 2016
 * Syria conflict: Aid convoy attack was air strike, UN expert says - BBC News, October 5, 2016
 * ''Lars Bromley, research adviser at the UN Operational Satellite Applications Programme (Unosat), told a news briefing in Geneva: "With our analysis we determined it was an air strike and I think multiple other sources have said that as well." "For air strikes, what you are usually looking at is the size of the crater that is visible, and the type of crater," he added. "Basically air-dropped munitions are often much larger than anything you would fire from the ground."
 * I have stricken the above testimony out as perjury. It is not possible to identify a crater from the wast amount of high quality photographs and video form ground level. if Lars Bromley or his employers want to promote this view, they better release the satellite photo. As to why someone would want to give biased testimony, see the resume here. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:25, 6 October 2016 (UTC)

Social Media

 * Inter-agency convoy is crossing the conflict line to Big Orem in Aleppo Syria to deliver aid, liveuamap.com, Twitter, 19 Sept., 2016.
 * Somewhere on twitter, the White Helmet presenter and a group of unknowns. (HD version here and here)
 * Looks like the White Helmet guy seen on video after the attack is Ammar al-Selmo, head of the Aleppo branch of the White Helmets. But it was in 2011, so it does not count!

Officials interviewed

 * US top brass grilled by Senator Graham on Syria, Kurds and ISIS, RT, clip taken from US Senate Hearing, "U.S. National Security Challenges and Ongoing Military Operations", Sept. 22, 2016, at about 11:43 a.m. local (15:43 UTC)
 * Q (Sen. Lindsey Graham): Did Russia bomb the UN convoy? A (General Joseph Dunford): Senator, that has not been concluded, but my judgment would be that they did. They are certainly responsible.
 * Press leak about 'two SU 24 planes': evening of Sept. 21, 2016 (UTC), so prior to the above.


 * Full transcript of AP interview with Syrian President Assad, September 22, 2016
 * Denies that Syria or Russia are responsible. Does not know what happened. A detail not seen elsewhere: AP interviewer: There is footage of torn bodies...


 * RT Interviews Jens Stoltenberg at UN General Assembly, September 21, 2016
 * “I will not speculate about [who perpetrated the attack]. It’s important to get the facts and to find out how this could happened, but I won’t speculate,” Stoltenberg said after a meeting with Lavrov.


 * Churkin at the UN (on video), RT, 25 Sept. 2016.
 * ''Here in New York, we have learned about that for the first time from the US Secretary of State, who said in a private conversation, that according to 'their' (his/US) information, that two Russian planes for several minutes were somewhere in the area where the humanitarian convoy was, where it was hit. But, he said, do not worry, we will not announce publicly this fact, as we need to figure out what happened (надо разобраться). 'In a few minutes'  as usual there were leaks from various news agencies in Washington, and next day, Secretary of State made this tragedy a central part of his dramatic presentation at UNSC ... We have said from the very beginning that it needs to be investigated (надо разобраться) . They first said it was an artillery strike, than helicopters, than planes. I am not a military expert, but I have read somewhere today that the strikes were delivered for 7 hours. But if Russian planes were somewhere in that area for several minutes, could the bombs be falling for several hours?  I do not think so.


 * Samantha Power remarks. Quite a lot on White Helmets.
 * '' Russia and Assad are bombing the humanitarian convoys, hospitals, and first responders who are trying desperately to keep people alive.

Op-Eds
Stop Assad Now—Or Expect Years of War, by John McCain, WSJ, 4 Oct. 2016
 * ''America’s intrepid secretary of state has now taken the meaningless step of suspending talks with Russia over Syria. Meanwhile, Mr. Assad and Mr. Putin are creating military facts on the ground in Syria that will enable them to dictate the terms of a peace secured by carnage. They have decimated coalition-backed Syrian groups, slaughtered countless civilians, consolidated the Syrian regime’s hold on power, and even struck a United Nations humanitarian-aid convoy. And they have done all of this with no consequences. Thus the war grinds on.

"Syrian and Russian planes have to be shot down-McCain", Rusvesna, Oct. 5, 2016
 * ''Attempts to prove Russian or Syrian blame for the attack have failed

What happened?
As of September 22, 2016 none of these scenarios has been ruled out.
 * 1) Russian and Syrian planes bombed the SARC compound.
 * 2) A U.S. or coalition drone bombed the compound.
 * 3) The compound was attacked with mortars or hell cannon by terrorists.
 * 4) The SARC team was taken hostage and murdered, while terrorist set off explosives around the trucks.
 * So far nothing has been heard in public about the SARC team or the drivers. Did any of the survivors return to west Aleppo?

Russia's Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters the attack coincided with Al-Nusra and allies "on the Syrian government forces in the same area known as the Ramus road," Sputnik news reports, about 5-7 kilometers east from the site. Any connection is unclear but possibly of interest. (Attack on Humanitarian Convoy in Syria 'Provocation Aimed to Distract Attention' Sputnik News, September 23, 2016)

How Russia did it!

 * This Is How Russia Bombed the UN Convoy - Pierre Vaux, The Daily Beast, September 21, 2016
 * ''Despite Kremlin denials, the open-source evidence implicating Putin’s warplanes is overwhelming.
 * Russia ‘targeted UN aid convoy on outskirts of Aleppo in revenge for earlier air strike on Syrian troops’ - Con Coughlin, Peter Dominiczak, The Telegraph, September 21, 2016

Victims
Initial reports had 12 killed (AFP/Arab News) (and 18 wounded?). Later, the Syrian Arab Red Crescent announced "Around twenty civilians and one SARC staff member were killed, as they were unloading trucks carrying vital humanitarian aid. Much of the aid was destroyed." (Syria: Attack on humanitarian convoy is an attack on humanity - SARC, September 20, 2016)

Other sources agree there was only one fatality among the Red Crescent workers, and it was their director, implying the rest survived. Some reports might give a larger number killed (8?).

A Free Syrian Army press release later cited a total of 31 fatalities — 19 civilians and 12 aid workers. (cited tweet)

Who provided the medical care for the wounded is not clear, but they seem to have a poor survival rate. At this time, it's nor clear if there was even one survivor. This is implied, however, in the Guardian.
 * Members of the Syrian Red Crescent, who had travelled from regime-held west Aleppo to make the delivery were too scared to share what they had seen, fearing punishment from Syrian officials. “They want to kill humanity, but humanity will not die,” said one of Barakat’s colleagues, insisting his name was not used. (Syria aid convoy attack: ‘the bombardment was continuous’ - Chulov and Shaheen, the Guardian, September 21, 2016)

The VDC lists only 11 victims - Mr. Barakat (SARC director) and 10 unidentified entries, listed as men from the town (given as Great Orme, or in Arabic غير معروف). This means they were given no real information.

Location

 * Live UA Map - with video
 * WikiMapia
 * Geolocation of the alleged OFAB-250-270 tail section and nighttime strike aftermath videos - "large_butt" on Reddit, September 22, 2016
 * Source: The @SYRedCrescent at these intersections in Kafr Naha/Oram al-Kubra


 * Russian drone footage (stills) show the trucks passing through Kafr Naha and at this facility further east, just east of Urm alKubra. Both spots are mapped below. If these images were taken at the same time, the convoy was divided. By shadows, when the drone passed (second photo anyway) the solar azimuth was about 207-211 degrees, equating to a time of about 1:30-1:40 pm. This must be Russia's source for the claim the convoy had arrived by 1:40.

This is the same spot where at least some vehicles remained at the time of the attack, starting about 6 hours later. This graphic maps out roughly how many damaged vehicles there were the next day (13 trucks and/or trailers numbered) and where, and gives a start at mapping where apparent impacts happened (to be updated/improved). See talk page: scene analysis for more details.

MoD Video Stream

 * TASS report, at 20:42, says that at about 20:00 a web camera and transmission equipment at Assad Academy was hit. No video feed from any source is seen on Russian MoD site, checking on it at about 21:16.
 * It is uncertain whether Russian MoD monitored in detail all of its own video feed; they would monitor areas of their own responsibility and attention, but not necessarily particular rebel sites, unless they had to, by prior agreements. There may be no arrangement for them to monitor security at the rebel warehouse, and they may not have prior experience that due to info warfare that might be quite a good idea.
 * After watching their own video some more, Russian MoD found rebel large caliber mortar on a pickup truck moving with the convoy (report and video;video also here).

Background
Urm al-Kubra was previously the site of the infamous fake Aleppo "Playground Napalm Massacre" in August, 2013.

The area all around is reportedly under control of Harakat Noureddin al-Zenki, "moderate Islamists" who formerly received US military aid (they've since been cut-off). (Beeley) Al-Zenki was recently accused of launching a chemical weapons attack in Aleppo (August 2, ACLOS), and earlier had two top commanders openly partake in the abuse and beheading by knife of a captured boy (al-Zenki promised the killers were arrested, but they were seen out with guns two weeks later - again, see ACLOS).

The attack came within minutes of the ending of a 7-day cease-fire negotiated between the US and Russia, just as a Russia-US campaign agains both ISIS and Jabhat al-Nusra was to begin, and two days after the embarrassing 'error' by coalition forces in Deir ez Zor that killed dozens of Syrian soldiers. See talk page for more on this context.

June 27th attack?

 * SYRIA: Civil Defense Volunteers Report Cluster Munitions Used in Airstrikes West of Aleppo June 27 - New.com.au, June 28, 2016 (Original video on YouTube)
 * ''Syrian Civil Defense workers released footage on June 27 purporting to show several volunteers extinguishing a fire at a warehouse in Urem al-Kubra, located 11 miles west of the city of Aleppo, which was allegedly caused by cluster munitions used in airstrikes over the area.
 * Government forces targeted Al Alamiyeh Press in Orm Al Kubra in Aleppo governorate in June 11 - Syrian Network For Human Rights
 * ''SNHR: government warplanes (allies) missiles fired on Al Alamiyeh Press in Orm Al Kubra in Aleppo governorate, burning it and rendering it, June 11, 2016.
 * It looks as if there is a fire in the warehouse right to the west of the SARC compound. In the September 20th photos the roof of the neighboring warehouse is seen to be bombed out.

Analysis

 * Attack on Red Crescent convoy in Urm al-Kubra/An answer to Bellingcat by PavewayIV (Intra-ACLOS analysis, in progress)
 * Syria: Investigate Attack on UN Aid Convoy - Lama Fakih, HRW, September 20, 2016
 * How we "Know" Russia or Syria Bombed the Aleppo Aid Convoy - Monitor on Massacre Marketing, Sept. 21 (mirror)
 * FALSE FLAG: UN Convoy another Information War Fake? - Tsargrad, via Fort Russ, September 21, 2016
 * Russia provides definitive video proof that US backed ISIS jihadists attacked UN convoy in Syria - Alex Christoforou, The Duran, September 21, 2016
 * Syria - The Aid Convoy Attack Points To Further Escalation - Moon of Alabama, September 21, 2016
 * Syria: Attack on Aid Convoy Kills Twenty, Destroys Aid … ... and Obliterates US War Crimes? - Felicity Arbuthnot, Dissident Voice, September 21, 2016
 * Analysis of Syrian Red Crescent Aid Convoy Attack - Nick Waters, Hady Al-Khatib, Bellingcat, September 21, 2016
 * Airstrikes on UN Aid Convoy in Aleppo: Claims and Reality - Conflict Intelligence Team, September 21, 2016
 * Making up the news: How the Western media misreported the Syrian convoy attack - Alexander Mercouris, The Duran, September 21, 2016
 * Attack on Humanitarian Convoy in Syria 'Provocation Aimed to Distract Attention' - Sputnik, September 22, 2016
 * RUSSIA'S COUNTER-BLOW: Info War victory and the destroyed Aid Convoy - Joaquin Flores, Fort Russ, September 22nd, 2016
 * Evidence indicates mainstream media edited UN convoy blast images to cover up Predator Drone Hellfire missile strike - PavewayIV, via ''The Duran, September 22nd, 2016
 * Discussed on talk page.
 * Mortar puzzle of Aleppo, video interview with Mikhail Hodarenok, Gazeta.ru war correspondent (text is different).
 * Main point, excessive attention to this war episode ‎in the overall context of civil war. It is very regrettable that people died and valuables were lost, but overall, this is a small episode (and having to do with an attempt 'to score even' after the coalition error in Deir ez-Zor).
 * Confirmed : Russian Bomb Remains Recovered from Syrian Red Crescent Aid Convoy Attack - Eliot Higgins, Bellingcat, September 22, 2016 (German, Русский)
 * The unexploded OFAB-250 bomb in a crater seen in photographs of the alleged SARC warehouse turns out to be a lone tail section planted at the site in an effort to blame Russia and Syria for the alleged airstrike. (Bellingcat still stick to their story that "Russia did it.")
 * Western Media Blames Russia, Syria For Attack On UN Convoy; Video And Photos Tell Different Story - Brandon Turbeville, September 24, 2016
 * Who Bombed an Aid Convoy Near Aleppo? Russia or the Syrian regime?" - Tom Cooper, War is Boring, September 24, 2016
 * Syria - Conflicting Reports, Dubious Witnesses Challenge Convoy Attack Case - Moon of Alabama, September 25, 2016
 * Syria: White Helmets Staged ‘Russian Bombing’ Scene Near Aleppo, Lapped-up by Mainstream Media - 21st Centruy Wire, Contributors Patrick Henningsen and Vanessa Beeley. Cites independent analyst Petri Krohn.
 * US admits it has no idea who attacked Aleppo UN humanitarian convoy - Alexander Mercouris, The Duran, September 26, 2016
 * A beautiful situation in Syria or how to build a mousetrap, by Cat Motya - via Vineyard of the Saker, September 29, 2016
 * Popular Mechanics: Why Can't We Say Who Attacked That Humanitarian Convoy in Syria? (based on the radar aspect, with some information about how this works)
 * There are two possibilities: Thanks to all this surveillance might, the U.S. and its Allies know who exactly who destroyed that convoy—Syrian or Russian, or both— and from what base. But for reasons yet to be revealed, they haven't disclosed it to the world. This could be to protect secret electronic surveillance methods, or to preserve the administration's thus-far ineffective diplomatic efforts. The second possibility is also alarming: Because of gaps in the surveillance net over Syria, the military doesn't know.


 * How we Can Know Russia Did Not Bomb the Aleppo Aid Convoy Monitor on Massacre Marketing, Sept. 29 2016 (focuses on unpopular mechanical observations about the attack as it was on the ground)