File talk:MH17 engine cowling.jpg

One thing about this part, trying to visualize impact angles, is it's hard to know which side was "up" vs. left, down, etc. I suppose there are clues there to clarify that, when the plane was level ... --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The protruding panel is one the outside of the engine. The cowling us upside down, left is right – assuming this is from the left-side engine. The shrapnel entry holes are on the fuselage side of the engine. Consistent with this line of attack with cockpit, engine, wingtip lined up.
 * ...well not quite. The photo is from the above, the engine seems to have been hit from the below.
 * Are we sure, and how do we know, that a small panel piece that appears attached to the ring is on the outer (furthest from fuselage) side of the engine? Presumably the ring is attached to the rest  in a number of places, (mechanics would know those locations, but we don't just from a photograph), and it can be from any of those attaching spots? --Resup (talk) 14:43, 13 November 2014 (UTC)
 * The holes in the cockpit floor are exit holes. the shrapnel or "high-energy objects" seem to have come from straight above. (I suspect this was a HE round exploding right next to the pilot.) If we can find another hole where the source of the "objects" was below the level of the cockpit / cabin floor, then there cannot be a single source of "high-energy objects". This would disapprove the BUK theory. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:01, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

But thinking about level reminds me for this and all parts, the angle of each part relative to horizontal can and will change as the plane banks (tilts its wings), which it does all the time in flight, though usually staying very close to level. A more severe turn (bank) might start to upon seeing some blur coming their way, or maybe it was all all too quick and that's irrelevant. If normal turns only, the issue will be minor (off maybe by a few degrees)--Caustic Logic (talk) 12:26, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Komsomolskaya Pravda

 * Все больше фактов за то, что малайзийский «Боинг» был сбит истребителем (Growing evidence for the fact that the Malaysian "Boeing" was shot down by fighter) – Nicholas VARSEGOV, Komsomolskaya Pravda, November 12, 2014
 * ''We managed to get something very significant. Let's start in order. Passing by a large piece of one of the compartments "Boeing", we saw near him a huge blast crater, which was not yesterday. Apparently, Ukrainians, frightened by the news of a possible export remains liner, decided the night some powerful projectile to destroy this piece, but missed the mark by 50 meters, as often they happen. It is hard to imagine that just Ukrainians, from the bulldozer, made to vanish dorogushchim projectile into the open field. Surely intended to break the same drawer, which in the study can be dangerous for them to expose the destruction of the "Boeing".


 * ''But the most interesting thing we expect for the village Peter and Paul, where a few days ago, local residents discovered the front rim of the turbine liner. The entire circumference of the rim is also riddled with shrapnel. And it means that the pieces fell into very turbine. Many witnesses claim to have heard two strong explosions. The first was in the air, then fell to the ground the wreckage of the liner, the second in a couple of minutes already rumbled on the ground in the fall of petrol tanks. Therefore we can assume that exploded in the air turbine - from getting into fragments. Then there is such a picture: missile "air-air" jerked approximately a meter away from the cockpit, hitting heap fragments as a head portion of the liner and its turbine. And consequently Ukrainian airliner was shot down a fighter.

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:10, 13 November 2014 (UTC)

Protruding panel has a pipe leading to a hole; this is seen on kp video at 5:06 and 6:10; that part appears to be engine bottom. The engine should be Rolls Royce Trent 800 (British are involved as engine is Rolls Royce). I do not see holes on top portion of Trent 800, and there is something covered in the lower part. Other engines have such hole clearly seen at the bottom of  fan cowling nose. Damage appear to be from shrapnel; blowing a fan usually do damage further inside, like here or here (page 4). There is damage from the top and on both sides, nothing at the very bottom (where the pipe is), and starts maybe at 45 degrees further up. Looks like shrapnel is coming in the front-to-end direction, from-above -the-engine-and-horizontally. Less density of holes than the cabin, so it may go off when close to the cabin and fly into fan and cowling rim further away. Damage they do show in the video (somewhere in the front area and rim) looks like shrapnel. --Resup (talk) 03:38, 14 November 2014 (UTC)