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Mobile Thought Space
(will be moved to main talk page preceding implementation, following any feedback) There should now be a few split-off pages under Ukraine, 2014, besides the Crimea one. Mainly, as the main subject only semi-crowded out by all else (but Crimea) combined, maybe Ukraine: Kiev Sniper Massacre at least needs set aside. It could cover all sniper, all massacre (?), but mainly the crossover event of mid-day the 20th we can see on video. I'll keep on the visual stuff mainly, sort and map. It needs improving. No one else I've seen is doing that except in these videos. Moses Von Braun, for one, isn't covering Ukraine. A Google image search for Ukraine sniper analysis trajectory line etc. - in Ukrainian or English - doesn't really bring up any maps with lines or anything. That includes ours, for whatever reason. But anyway, we may be cutting edge, space would be good. Feedback? --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

This Image
f/c Since making the lame Ukraine Victims Firing Directions 1.png improved building footprint alignment, the low wall vs. hedges placement, added a sidewalk detail section, proportional from video, for better placement. The incident here can be seen at: 16:52 in the 41-minute video - my enhanced stand-alone video. In a green poncho, this lean, bearded man was reviously seen shielding the wounded, from the all-important forward angle, as they were dragged down to the clinic or morgue. Here' just after two men next to him were picked off, he makes a run for it, shielding himself in the usual direction. He's hit through torso, from the upper left back, out the left-mid chest, I'm pretty sure. The sky-blue arrow tries to show the way he was looking as he ran, not that it really matters. I had previously thought he seemed to be shot from the hotel, but "in the back" means something different once he started running with this complex, twisting posture. That's hard to map out exactly, but once gotten close enough to try, and placed accurately, all reasonable angles point to the near corner of the metro station, or maybe a tree near it or another building to the west, but not to the hotel. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

That said, this call is based on another judgment call that open to question. The exit wound is clear, but the entry wound I only think is visible. Later in my enhanced video is the extra-color segment. See the extra red pixels at the top of his backpack. Left shoulder blade, through the heart. The spin of how he tumbles might support this angle, and a track from upper back to mid-chest traces a downward angle, as any elevated position so nearby would have. I think a window position is more likely than roof for a few reasons: the awkward domed roof there, better protection from whoever, better invisibility from cameras, lower angle to minimize the (leafless) tree canopy as a visual impediment, that I've thought of. Still, if so, the sniper, or at least his open window, might be glimpsed in that 41-minute video - no catch here yet but I haven't looked hard yet. Or conversely, if there's no such window or outlet to be seen, maybe that thinking is wrong. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


 * "...the sniper, or at least his open window, might be glimpsed in that 41-minute video." Indeed.

=--Caustic Logic (talk) 13:26, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Possible Incident Match
27-year-old Roman, a former Berkut sniper "who is now part of a self-defense detail at the Hotel Ukraine," spoke to a Reuters reporter.
 * "I saw three people fall ... They were shot in the head or neck." ... The marksman responsible for the three deaths which Roman saw was located on a roof of a metro station further up the hill, he said. He thus had a clear line of sight down into the protest zone and the sprawling Independence Square, citadel of revolt, beyond.

That view, of course, would be blocked by the Hotel towering over even this roof. Such a villain would, however, have a clear line of sight down onto the people who mattered here: those sacrifical lambs sent in for no evident reason, cowering almost against the building's walls. The line-up with the station I just identified The description of three men picked off, possibly together in a short span,     A problem is that these (he thought)  were hit in the head and neck, while the one I can/could call among these three is hit through the torso. The roof/window issue I mentioned, to the extent that matters, is  another problem with that a story match here. But it was worth mentioning at least, and in case this is some sort of match, I let all three shootings help decide where in the building (horizontally, as seen from above) made most sense.

Not just the match but the whole story presented by Roman is problematic. does not mention any gunfirew at all emanating from the hotel, clearly including no use of their clear lines down onto the roof to take out this sniper (the domes, for one, could help explain that, but...), and there are no reports I know of him getting captured. But once the sniper massacre was done, just like the one they probably caught in the hotel, this one stopped too. Hmm!! --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

The Metro Station
(mobile section again, and forthcoming - I've seen reports that the station (which branches off to different areas, BTW, would be awesome to have and run around in) was in insurgent hands at least later in the day, when they were manufacturing the next day's molotov cocktails in there. Will find, not here, and add to main talk page, mapping the scene) --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:38, 4 April 2014 (UTC)