Talk:Death of Dawn Sturgess

Incident in Amesbury
Major incident declared following ongoing incident in Amesbury -Wiltshire police. Happened on June 30, 2018, noticed today by references in Russian and English-language sources. --Resup (talk) 06:03, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
 * Attempt to derail US-Russia summit? --Resup (talk) 18:22, 4 July 2018 (UTC)

Novichok....Statement from ACSO Neil Basu re: Amesbury incident, July 4, 2018 --Resup (talk) 00:42, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The incident did not happen in Amesbury, but in Queen Elisabeth Park in Salisbury, the same place where the Skripals were seen feeding ducks with novichok. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 08:24, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

The incident did not happen in Amesbury, but in Queen Elisabeth Park in Salisbury, the same place where the Skripals were seen feeding ducks with novichok.
 * According to BBC they visited the QE gardens on the 29th and were taken ill at Rowleys property on 30th June --Diagonal (talk) 14:45, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
 * It seems the ducks were not fed at QE gardens but at Avon playground, the posed photo of the boys was taken there as the playground was closed off: http://www.theblogmire.com/the-salisbury-poisonings-how-the-ducks-led-down-a-rabbit-trail-then-to-some-potentially-crucial-information/ --Diagonal (talk) 17:25, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * CCTV, 12 DAYS WHEN POLICE FAILED TO FIND ‘NOVICHOK BOTTLE’ – AND THE QUESTIONS NO MSM ARE ASKING Skawkbox July 13, 2017

Novichok: Victim found poison bottle in branded box - BBC, July 24, 2018 (see quotes on the mainpage). I am having trouble putting this all together. That cosmetics acts after 15 minutes, and so incapacitates rather quickly too, like under an hour. Skripals did not show discomfort hours after the door knob contact. So it was most likely not a door knob, and likely same cosmetics. Then why that cosmetics was not recovered from the scene? And how Novichok ended up on the door knob? And how Skripals were convinced to use cosmetics?--They are not addicts and have sufficient sophistication to be very cautious. It does not seem too likely that 'Russian assassins' would go for a double attempt, both door knob and cosmetics (though not impossible). But with everything else together, it does not sound convincing to me.

In addition, there must be a very serious recent reason, like significant information in his possession and not in public domain,  for Russia to go after Skripal, at the worst possible moment, and exposing publicized chemical capability (and unexpected weakness thereof too). Past betrayal, punished and pardoned, is insufficient for such a gross thing. It is more understandable if an enemy of Putin/Russia was behind, with a clear motif, prior to Russian reelections --Resup (talk) 00:07, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * The existence of the novichok perfume bottle in the park all but proves that the novichok on the doorknob is planted false evidence. The Skripals could not have been poisoned at two places at once. I suspect Yulia brought the bottle from Moscow with her. The perfume package would allow it to pass customs and security checks.
 * The case looks like a suicide / faked murder. The Skripals would spray the nocichok on their doorknob and maybe Zizzi's before applying it to themselves somewhere near the bench. The most difficult part of a suicide / faked murder is making the suicide weapon disappear. A classic example might be someone hanging himself by jumping from a block of ice, hoping that the ice will melt before the body is found. The Skripals would have to destroy of hide the bottle before arriving at the bench, maybe by throwing it into the Avon river while feeding ducks. They had to use some trick that would guarantee that the police would not find it anywhere near their bodies. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:17, 25 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Can we know if the bottle police found at Rowley's after 12 days matches the description Rowley gave in his ITN interview of a package? He stated not knowing how or where they found it...? Why was decontamination unit not required if Rowley and Sturgess were exposed to Novichok https://twitter.com/dgaytandzhieva/status/1014974065239642112

and what it tells about Skripals?
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Past Amesbury, what it tells about Skripals?

(1) Petri's consideration of suicide. there is no known reason or hint for any of them to be suicidal. She is kind of taken aback/shocked by attack with Novichok. He is not a dissident and did things for money; if he suddenly regrets it now, why to involve daughter, and why/how Novichok?

(2) They are assaulted and poisoned. That can explain that 'weapon' was not found. It does not explain the door knob. It does not explain why Yulia has no memory of assault and never mentions it. It does not explain why they did not seek help: it would be obvious to them theu were attacked, and they would have some 15 minutes to scream, seek help, use phone maybe, etc. In Russian attackers version, it is not explained why they would seem to pack the vial in attractive (sealed?) package and leave it like that to be found by another victim; that appears to be possibly deliberate and why would Russians want another random victim?

(3) They were given an object laced with poison. Something they would like to have, for example money, flowers for the wife`s grave, or anything else like that. It does not explain (in Russians version especially) why the object was not found, or Amesbury event. That would need to come from somebody they trust, especially the father. If it was Russians, it may come with Yulia from Moscow (which I have hard time to buy), or ,pre likely from somebody friendly with Skripal after he was exposed as traitor. In the latter case, would be more non-Russians than Russians in such circle.

Alternative to 1-3, staged? I guess we will not know for sure for many years to come --Resup (talk) 22:03, 26 July 2018 (UTC)


 * It seems suspicious to me that a attractively packaged and sealed item would be left lying around only to be found over three months later. Perhaps this Amesbury aspect could be seen as a way to back up the official narrative of Skripal poisoning about Novichok. It was treated as routine drug contamination emergency before becoming a media story a few days later. --Diagonal (talk) 12:00, 30 July 2018 (UTC)