Talk:Karm al-Zaytoun Massacre

Start Notes
No promises on this page, but I have enough specifics I'm stumbling on that it needs a space. And I may go off on this, fascinating and hideous stuff, according to reports. The surface-level reports say is happened on March 11 in Karm al-Zaytoun, but what I see in the death records is a horrific two-day span, each centered on a different area but with several deaths in others too. The CDV database shows 129 fatalities of people from Homs province between March 11 (Sunday, 72 dead) and March 12 (Monday, 57 dead), mostly in districts of the city itself. Victims listed as from Alawite-majority districts appear in these two days (a real rarity), as well as other more commonly violent areas where there were only a few (and shrinking) Alawites lived. Other stuff will emerge --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Victims

 * March 11

Baroudi
There is a name Baroudi that appears for March 11 victims in Karm al-Zaytoun: Ahmad Baroudi AM Mohamad Kheir Baroudi AM Bashar Baroudi CM Asmaa Baroudi CF. It's a name I don't think I've seen much. It could mean "from Barouda," which is one of the towns hardest hit in the 2013 Latakia Massacres (see here for Barouda details). That would of course strongly suggest these were Alawite citizens of Karm al-Zaytoun. --Caustic Logic (talk) 00:26, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Four more, or maybe five, for a total of up to nine members so far: they seem to goof up this name a bit. All field executed, most from Karm al-Zaytoun and killed "in the massacre." Adel Barudi AM "Father of martyr Ahmad Barudi, Husband of martyr Mayada Barudi" - Abdulrahman Barudy CM - likely included: Khalid Badui CM age 5 - possibly included: Mahmoud Baru AM, from Baba Amr - definitely included: Mayyada Bahloun in the massacre that took place int he neighborhood, she is the mother of martyr Ahmad Al-Baroudi" and given elsewhere as Mayada Barudi. The maiden name Bahloun is interesting. No other entries for that name appear, but two are similar: Bahloul/Bahlol pops up across north Syria, partly for rebel; fighters. And a Bahlawan, more likely. two men killed around Damascus. More likely, there's a Bahlawan name, with two adult males killed around Damascus later in 2012. In fact, that's correct; Ahmad, an adult, has for notes: "In the massacre of the neighborhood, he is the son of Martyr Mayyada Bahlawan and Martyr Aadel Al-Baroudi." --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:31, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Jobar Killings
Karm al-Zaytoun is not the only place people were massacred that day. For one, Jobar (southwest corner of the city, by Wa'er) saw six adult male victims: Abu Rifaat Al-Zoubi - Son of Abu Rifaat Al-Zoubi - Son of Khaled Wazeer - Osama El-Rifai - Ziad al-Rifaee - Omar Rifa'e. The three apparent brothers share a name with a district that would suffer killings the following day.

Hasans
It's not clear if these are all separate or interrelated families. All are from Karm al-Zaytoun.
 * Hasan, Naser al-Hasan AM
 * Lufti al-Hasan: Rizqallah Lutfi al-Hasan AM - Mohammad Lutfi al-Hasan AM - Ali Lutfi al-Hasan AM - Lutfi ALi al-Hasan CM
 * Hasan Agha: Jamal Hasan Agha AM - Lurans Hasan Agha CM - Taha Hasan Agha CM - Zaina Hasan Agha CF


 * March 12

Abed
In the Rifaie neighborhood, one hard-hit family is Abed:
 * Mazen Mohammad al-Abd AM - Ibn Mesar Alabed AM
 * Son of Myasar Abed 12 plus 11 others, all adult males. Lot of sons here.
 * Farhan al-Abd AM - Wife of Farhan al-Abd AF http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVJEZ6eOdY - Son of Farhan Al-Abed - Son of martyr Farhan Abed - Ibn Farhan Alabed AM

CDV
General entry for at least some victims of this violence: "Adawiya massacre: The regime forces, army and shabiha entered the neighborhoods of Adawiya, Rifa'e and Karm Al-Zaitoun, stormed the homes and conducted summarily executions for dozens of these neighborhoods' residents."

Overall daily death tolls for people from Homs province, including massacre victims and all other recorded "martyrs" (everyone documented who isn't "regime"), March 9-14:
 * March 9 = 30 martyrs (Friday)
 * March 10 = 10 martyrs (the calm before the storm, as if someone were pausing to prepare for something big in the coming days) --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:36, 4 November 2013 (UTC)
 * March 11 = 72 martyrs Mainly from Karm al-Zeitoun (different spellings used)
 * March 12 = 52 martyrs Mostly from Rifaie neighborhood, also Karm al-Louz (Zammo family), which I hear is Alawite majority. Absolutely no follow-up deaths from Karm al-Zeitoun - whoever had access the previous day lost it quickly and moved on. Typical army/Shabiha style, right?
 * March 13 = 16 martyrs About nine in the city itself, mainly Baba Amr, the rebel fall-back point.
 * March 14 = 10 Order is re-imposed? The killers run out of steam?

Videos
I haven't watched these yet. Two generic videos for CDV entries for "Adawiya massacre":
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAVJEZ6eOdY
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmfPeGdirC4
 * One that appears high in a Google search: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaJPzaEBjs4