Talk:Syria peace talks

Talks?
US special representative Daniel Rubinstein will visit Moscow to discuss Syria. Media note: As part of our ongoing efforts to bring about a political solution to the Syrian conflict, U.S. Special Envoy to Syria Daniel Rubinstein will travel May 15-27 to Geneva, Moscow, Ankara, Istanbul, and Riyadh to participate in UN-led consultations on Syria with UN Envoy Staffan de Mistura, discuss with officials of several governments the need for a sustainable political transition based on the Geneva principles, and continue his engagement with the leadership of Syria’s moderate political opposition. This trip reaffirms the United States’ strong commitment to working with the international community and the moderate Syrian opposition to create conditions for a negotiated political transition as the only means to end the ongoing conflict, and to help Syrians lay the foundation for a free, democratic, and pluralistic future. The United States remains firmly of the belief that Bashar al-Assad has no role in Syria’s political future. --Resup (talk) 02:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Russia calls for Geneva-3 format meeting -discussed by special representatives of  Russia Mikhail Bogdanov and UN,  Staffan de Mistura.--Resup (talk) 02:37, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Kerry ready to negotiate with Assad, Assad: needs 'actions not words'--Resup (talk) 14:57, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

'Moscow Platform'
10.4.15 'Moscow Platform': Syria's government, opposition adopt joint document but differences remain, news.yahoo, TASS, Reuters, presstv.ir
 * Head of Syrian government delegation confirms adoption of joint document with opposition. The document includes provisions on resolving the Syrian crisis based on the principles of the June 30, 2012 Geneva Communique and the UN Security Council resolution on the fight against terrorism. --Resup (talk) 14:41, 11 April 2015 (UTC)

19.11.2015 It is said that opposition and government tried to reach an agreement on a 15 day ceasefire in Eastern Ghouta. This was to be concluded around November, 20. There are conflicting reports on what happened. Some say that there was a success, while Western sources and SOHR report on talks failure and renewed attacks.
 * On 19.11, Jaish al-Islam group said it is studying the proposal -alarabiya.net

19.11.2015 A meeting has been scheduled in Saudi Arabia to bring together moderate Syrian opposition groups, in an attempt to present them as a united front in future negotiations -alarabiya.net. Separate meeting in Jordan to decide which are terrorist groups, apart from the two explicitly listed already--Resup (talk) 15:29, 21 November 2015 (UTC)

Prague?

 * Sides in Syrian civil war interested in signing peace deal in Prague, says Milos Zeman, 30.9.2015
 * Assad supported Prague as peace deal venue (but not e.g. France), in an interview to Czech TV. Daily mail, 30.11.2015:

"And as you mention Prague, it would be generally accepted because of the balanced position of your country"


 * President al-Assad to Czech TV: Defeating terrorism will remove obstacles in front of any political process, SANA, Dec.1, 2015 (dialogue with peaceful opposition, amnesty to armed opposition laying down arms; critical of Western coalition; will not step down during the conflict --this will be decided by elections...).

Vienna format

 * 30.10.15 Progress reported on issues of starting political process: transitional government, elections, constitutional reform, with an oversight by a special body and UN. No progress on Assad future and foreign military presence.  Some document will be circulated soon. (Based on several reports in TASS quoting several delegation participants). List of which are terrorist organizations and which are not were discussed as well. Another meeting in a couple of weeks--Resup (talk) 17:45, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * Communique-quoting Reuters (a reshuffled version given by TASS)--Resup (talk) 20:26, 30 October 2015 (UTC)


 * 14.11.15 Statement of the International Syria Support Group, Vienna, Austria, 14 November 2015, posted by UN Secretary General Office. Ceasefire, starting political process, refugees, stopping illegal trade, terror groups designation, transitional government, constitution, elections. 18 months time frame, -but apparently no rigid goalposts.  Terror attack in Paris occurred on the eve of the meeting on 13.11.15  --Resup (talk) 18:02, 14 November 2015 (UTC)
 * 9.12.2015 Russia, US, UN to hold trilateral Syria talks in Geneva, Reliefweb/AFP "The talks mark the latest step in the so-called Vienna process that began in late October when 17 countries, including the UN and EU representatives, met to discuss a political solution to end the fighting between President Bashar al-Assad and the opposition. The next meeting between top diplomats in the Vienna process is expected to take place this month in New York."

New York meeting

 * Dec 5, 2015. Next meeting in New York announced. According to TASS-Russian, Kerry said (translating back) that "If Russia and Iran will be acting to (as a) block and allow Assad to fail the process, and there is no transition (of political power), then our range of options will be reduced and we will have to make some tough decisions
 * Dec. 15, 2015. After Meetings in Moscow, Russia, U.S. Clear Way for Syria Peace Talks, Newsweek/Reuters"MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russia and the United States see enough common ground on Syria for world powers to meet on the troubled country's peace process in New York on Friday, but views on the future of President Bashar-al Assad still diverge. Secretary of State John Kerry went into meetings with Russian President Vladimir Putin and Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov on Tuesday not knowing whether Moscow would veto a third round of international talks on Syria on Friday after the Kremlin spoke of preconditions needing to be met. But speaking afterwards, he said the talks would definitely take place after the two countries agreed to try to accelerate the peace process and a potential political transition. "We will meet this Friday, Dec. 18, in New York with the International Syrian Support Group and then ... we will pass a U.N. resolution regarding ... the next steps with respect to negotiations and hopefully a ceasefire," said Kerry. Lavrov confirmed Russia now backed the meeting. "Despite our countries' differences, we have demonstrated that when the United States and Russia pull together in the same direction, progress can be made," Lavrov told a news conference."


 * Russia FM to fly to New York December 17 for meeting on Syria — foreign ministry, TASS. Russia supports the idea of convening another International Syria Support Group meeting on the foreign minister level in New York on December 18.

World powers meet in New York for Syria talks Foreign ministers meet in an attempt to arrange direct negotiations between Syrian government and opposition rebels, Aljazeera, 18 Dec 2015.

Jordan Presents List of Possible Terrorist Organizations (Sputnik News). Jordan has prepared a list of 160 organizations possibly tied to terrorist groups that will be reviewed during the ministerial meeting on Syria on December 18 in New York, a source in the Russian Foreign Ministry said Thursday. Jordan FM Nasser Judeh at UNSC meeting: We presented the results of our work of the International Support Group Syria and explained that on some terrorist groups there is consensus, and on other there is not, so that the negotiations could continue (TASS, Rus.)
 * Commenting on the news carried by the Russian media outlet, the government source in Amman, who requested anonymity, downplayed the importance of the news, saying that the figure mentioned in the statement must be exaggerated. “Are there really 160 terror groups in Syria?” he asked.  In previous remarks to The Jordan Times, a government official said that Jordan would classify groups in Syria into several categories depending on whether they are considered terrorists, not terrorists, or subject to debate. “One list will specify groups that are classified as terrorist by consensus; another will comprise the ones that are labelled as moderate and not involved in terrorism; and a third will include groups that are still unclassified due to differences,” the official has said Jordan Times, Dec 17, 2015

Syria terrorists list compiled by Jordan is contradictory — Lavrov, TASS (Eng.), 18 Dec 2015. Lavrov: "We agreed on criteria, so that clearly terrorist groups could be added to the Islamic State and Jabhat al-Nusra ....For us, for example, such criteria are regular shelling of residential quarters and regular shelling of Russia’s embassy in Damascus "--Resup (talk) 07:02, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Moscow
Kerry says to go to Moscow next week for Syria, Ukraine talks, Reuters, Dec. 9, 2015.
 * Комментарий Департамента информации и печати МИД России в связи с заявлениями американских представителей по визиту Госсекретаря США Дж.Керри в Москву - Russian FM press office commentary on Kerry visit (in Russian), English (TASS)--Resup (talk) 15:30, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Meeting with US Secretary of State John Kerry and Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov: "Results of the talks of Sergei Lavrov and John Kerry, held in Moscow today, were discussed". 15 December 2015 18:30 The Kremlin, Moscow. (full quote translated).

Press Availability With Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, US State Department transcript, Dec. 15, 2015. "...we would pass a UN resolution regarding the Vienna communiques and the next steps with respect to negotiations and hopefully a ceasefire..."

UN
UN unanimously adopted a resolution on a peaceful settlement of the situation in Syria, TASS (Russian), Dec. 18, 2015. --Resup (talk) 22:25, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Syrian opposition

 * Saudi Arabia says it will host Syria opposition meet, Reuters, Dec 6, 2015. "The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia sent an invitation to all the moderate portions of the Syrian opposition of different types and trends, and from its ethnic, sectarian and political spectrum inside and outside Syria," SPA reported, citing an official source at the foreign ministry... Saudi rival Iran has criticized the opposition conference, saying it would cause the failure of international talks. Tehran said on Sunday Assad's fate should only be decided by the Syrian people. Russian sources highlight part of the announcement saying that the invitation was discussed 'with majority of international partners', and UN special representative -RIA --Resup (talk) 21:52, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

"The congress was held on 8-9 December in Rojava’s Derîk city with the slogan “Towards the building of a free and democratic Syria.” 103 delegates representing Syrian political, military and societal opposition organisations attended the event.
 * The Final Resolution of the Democratic Syria Congress Released, Firat News Agency, December 10, 2015

Following the decision to establish a Democratic Syrian Assembly to serve as the political representative in Syria of the Syrian Democratic Forces (QSD), participants have determined that the Assembly will be comprised of 42 people. [...]

The congress was organised as an alternative to the Riyadh conference in Saudi Arabia, which the Kurdish organisations and Syrian Democratic Forces were not invited to. Jihadist groups like Ahrar Al-Sham attended the Riyadh conference, which is being spearheaded by the Saudis, Turkey and international forces."

--CE (talk) 08:11, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Syrian Opposition Groups Agree on Plan for Talks, Voice of America, Dec 10, 2015
 *  'The results of the conference of the Syrian opposition in Riyadh "certainly doomed to failure regarding resolution of the crisis." This opinion was expressed in an interview to television channel "Al-Mayadin" by the leader of the opposition movement "Kamah" Haytham Manali ' Beirut, Dec. 11 December, Dmitry Zelenin-TASS-google translated. (Seems to be little information available about this group or its leader). --Resup (talk) 06:29, 11 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Syria rebels agree to regime talks but without Assad, Aljazeera, Dec.11. 2015 "...the meeting agreed to set up a 25-strong leadership group, including six coalition members, six from rebel factions, five from the NCB (National Coalition opposition bloc) and eight independent figures.. Ahrar al-Sham quit the meeting ...but is reported to have returned and signed the statement."


 * Apparently another Western coalition foreign ministers meeting on December 14 in Paris, "friends of Syria group", supporting National Coalition block ('Istanbul based', as TASS article comments). This meeting is said to be similar to the earlier one in Paris; Russia is not invited and not participating in this format.
 * ... National Coalition mission:"... unity with the goal of overthrowing the Assad regime, ending the suffering of the Syrian people, and to make the transition towards a free and democratic country." ...Media office is temporarily based in Istanbul and communicates with those inside Syria through various revolutionary groups and activists on the ground... --Resup (talk) 23:55, 11 December 2015 (UTC)

"Islamic anti-terror coalition"

 * Media: Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar and Jordan may send 90,000 military to fight IS, TASS (Engl.), Dec 10, 2015. Iraq Press Agency quoted politician Hanan Al Faltawi as saying she received that information from reliable sources after talks between US Senator John McCain and Iraqi Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi. Russia wants initiators of Islamic anti-terror coalition to clarify its format — FM, TASS (Eng.), Dec 16, 2015.

Is an agreement possible?
Yes, there is a narrow path, 'between Scylla and Charybdis' According to Kerry "...all parties have stated that they support — a unified Syria, a nonsectarian Syria, a Syria which will choose its own leadership in the future by an election that they have all agreed will be supervised by the United Nations under the highest standards of international law". There is no guarantee though, as there is no agreement on the future of Assad, and the issue has developed into entrenched positions for the parties. 'Moderate opposition' and its sponsors are fearful, apparently, that if elections are held, Assad may well win, as a well-known major quantity against fractured and nameless opposition with yet unknown common agenda, seemingly requiring foreign sponsorship to emerge. An outcome of Assad winning is yet postulated as unacceptable. Meanwhile, Russia has stated that it supports Syrian statehood but not Assad personally. So if a change of leader comes naturally as a result of processes run ('owned') by the Syrian state, it may be acceptable--and even more so if there are some meaningful incentives (which may include respect/equal treatment) for Russia. But foreign-ordered regime change is almost surely not OK for Russia; which in practice means that it has to be decided by elections. Luckily, both USA and Russia are highly skilled in elections art, each in their own way; and so it is possible that some magic words of agreement which would suit all can be found. --With so many parties and conflicting interests involved, there is not much else we can do but to see how all this will develop. --Resup (talk) 21:43, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Plot to arm rebels?
Why is John Kerry shaking hands with Putin and suddenly calling for peace talks?

I believe the peace talks push is yet another plot to "level the playing field" and help the rebels.

All other plans have failed to produce a no-fly-zone or bring arms to the rebels. The Houla Massacre hoax failed, the Aqrab Massacre hoax failed, the chemical weapons hoax failed. Something new must be tried this time.


 * 1) Talks cost nothing. Even if the rebels show up they have not given up anything. At best the talks may force the Syrian army to ease off on the anti-terror operations.
 * 2) The rebels will refuse to show up, unless they are given weapons by the West. In fact, this plan of action has been agreed on beforehand between the rebels and their Western masters. The plan is to use the prospect of the peace talks to push through the political decision to arm the rebels against an ever more critical European public.

This is the line that will be force-fed to the Western public. The rebels are now peace-loving, so we need to support them. The arms will not kill anyone, they are only needed to give the rebels "a better bargaining position."

Reading today's headlines shows that this narrative is already taking shape. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:48, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Mistura, "Freeze" Peace Plan

 * ''moved from Talk:Sectarianism in the Syrian Conflict

Lavrov and UN envoy Saffan de Mistura will meet in Moscow
 * Action Group for Syria Final Communiqué 30.06.2012 --Resup (talk) 03:31, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

White House web page on Syria, as it stands, now one year old... --Resup (talk) 20:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Damascus, Syria, 11 November 2014 by Staffan de Mistura, the UN Special Envoy for Syria "...UN came up with a proposal of a UN initiative which is a freeze, which in Arabic is “Tajmeed”. This is a new way to see and achieve what we hope to bring a de-escalation of violence. It is different from previous ceasefires. It is a new way for approaching the de-escalation of violence, in particular in one place to start with-Aleppo. That means stop fighting, stop fighting, no one moves from where they are, that means facilitating the implementation in that location of (Security Council) resolutions 2178, 2170 and the resolutions for humanitarian aid. Through that, a hope, to bring a sign of hope and bring some form of stability and therefore a process towards stability. This means, if that freeze works in one place, we can replicate it elsewhere. If that "freeze" works, and we hope it will, then this could be a building block for a political process and certainly this is not a substitute to what is a political solution but it certainly is an incentive in that direction. Meanwhile, we continue regionally, nationally and internationally to push for a political solution." (by Staffan de Mistura, UN envoy, Syria) --Resup (talk) 21:20, 11 November 2014 (UTC)


 * All good material, but what does any of that have to do with "sectarianism?" (that is, fighting between / abuse of / threats against different religious groups / different sects of Islam?) --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:06, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Not sure where it belongs. This is not exactly "peace," sectarianism may be closest fit of an existing page with actual situation, but please feel free to move it wherever it belongs (if anywhere at all). --Resup (talk) 23:39, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
 * No big rush. But on this "freeze" idea, sounded unrealistic to me. Now Edward Dark tweets "nothing "freezing" in Aleppo except maybe for the coming winter. sounds of explosions and gunfire all over the place tonight #Syria"

Aleppo rebels reject UN plan for temporary truce-aljazeera. Insufficien t according to Syrian Free Army, but UN keeps trying- according to TASS--Resup (talk) 21:29, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Faith Dialogues?(inner/inter)

 * Haroon Moghul, CNN