Talk:FlyDubai Crash

Off-topic (weather related/pilot error), but linking audio-visual evidence --Resup (talk) 10:51, 20 March 2016 (UTC)
 * CCTV FlyDubai aircraft fall (uncertain/unverified source)
 * another crash video, Life News
 * ATC recording, last 8 minutes or so. All flights recorded on a single channel. Repeatedly high winds (18 m/s) and icing danger mentioned. Conversations mostly in English, with some Russian. Captain  was a Cypriot, co-pilot a Spaniard. "981" on ATC  recording is the FlyDubai flight. The last on the tape is a conversation in Russian, what happened-Rostov airport closed?
 * Life news ATC transcript(Russian), timing not provided, the last is that FLyDubai pilot is going for another ('second circle') attempt. It is unclear whether this is first successfully aborted attempt, or the fatal last one.
 * another video. It was criticized as possibly fiddled with (accelerated snow fall before the flash, than snow stops, than appears again; also during the flash some commentators think that there are no shadows -uncertain on the latter, big fireball at a distance, and a bit of shadow seems to be there). Taken as it stands, very steep angle (and speed, but with recording speed in doubt may be exaggerated). Also it appears that the plane rolls and is turned with the right wing down (especially near the end of 0:06, just before the impact and flash, left wing high up appears to be seen (?) ). That would be similar to past  history  (90's, below), but is not clearly enough visible, may be a glare from lights on rather low quality recording.  --Resup (talk) 12:35, 22 March 2016 (UTC)


 * Version based on last minutes of voice recorder, vesti.ru: plane goes for another approach, climbing up on autopilot normally. Than apparently it hits turbulence. Autopilot was disconnected, and at about the same time it is said that stabilizer (horizontal one, on the tail) was set into diving mode which is sometimes useful to overcome turbulence and which is activated by a button on the helm. It is said that the pilots did not realize that it happened due to fatique, or else that there was a technical problem with the aircraft. At this point they tried to pull up (calm down, pull on voice recorder), but with stabilizer in dive the plane was not responding to elevator small movement (this is illustrated on the video), and kept diving until impact. Yelling for the last 6 seconds heard. --Resup (talk) 22:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)
 * It could be due to activation in error, but if this is rather a technical problem (that may be possible to figure from black box data), this is significant and Boeing needs to be alerted.  They offered help with investigation on day one, but I have not heard that they arrived or were invited --Resup (talk) 22:50, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Weather

Historic:
 * B 737, Kazan, Russia, Nov 18, 2013
 * earlier 737 rudder problem 'mystery', '90's (Discovery Channel). It had to do with jamming hydraulics, I gather.