User talk:Charles Wood

Upload Text Files?
I want to upload a .kml file containing my best guess for the missile splashes in Zamalka on August 21.

There is no option for either text or kml, Or even kmz.

Can this be changed?


 * Hi Charles, no it can't be changed, the file-types are configured on MediaWiki script level where we have no access. You can use the  tag for pre-formatted text on every page, though, which will give you something like the following when you paste your data in. --CE (talk) 11:38, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

    New York City New York City  -74.006393,40.714172,0    

I could only have said not me. In fact I can't even get a simple .png or .jpeg to upload lately. This fix seems to work not too bad, just saw it in action. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:03, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

A quick question: I saw a recent video on LL grenade attack

I seem to recall this was quite old and there is related video from the rooftop and lots of bodies. Is this in your collection? What was the incident? --Charles Wood (talk) 11:45, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Jobar operation. 1. Beginning
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt5prC8JTbg Операция в Джобаре. Часть 1. Начало Jobar operation. 1. Beginning]

Video Date: 2013-08-21 (Source lowerlevels on liveleak)

Upload Date: 2013-12-23

Primary camera location Tall tower block

Map View



Operation in Dzhobare. Part 2. Reconnaissance and artillery barrage.
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RrmAlnZlGyQ Операция в Джобаре. Часть 2. Рекогносцировка и артподготовка. Operation in Dzhobare. Part 2. Reconnaissance and artillery barrage.]

Video Date: 2013-08-21 Plus 0-3 days? (Source lowerlevels on liveleak)

Upload Date: 2013-12-29

Primary camera location Tall tower block

Map View



--Charles Wood (talk) 07:44, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Operation in Dzhobare. Part 3. Landing troops.

 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtaQD8P-WQA

Uploaded yesterday, already subtitled in four languages. --CE (talk) 13:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Chatter
Looks like the right basic spot, but note sun from the west, I guess, meaning mid-PM. This must be in the cropped off part of the complex just north? With less busses and more buildings inside the fence? And is there a significance to this, or just practicing, or what? Keep at it, either way. :) --Caustic Logic (talk) 04:37, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

I'm using this place as a storage depot for now and also for criticism of my geolocation. No probs about any or all of it being slotted into ACLOS pages if there is a consensus that the descriptions are accurate. Maybe in a bit I'll generate a separate page for it.

I have a longer term plan to geolocate many significant videos - at least from the Damascus area. I've started a private database with a lot of metadata about each video, lats, longs, dates, uploads, notes etc. It has the working title "DatabaseOfDeath". Slightly more problematic is evaporation of videos off YT etc so I have started copying them down. As a secondary project I'm looking at adding metadata internal to the video files c.f. EXIF for jpeg. Webm supports metadata but finding an app to actually add and edit metadata is problematic. I may have to write my own :-(

--Charles Wood (talk) 05:05, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Sounds good. I appreciate that it sounds tedious and finally useful. But the methods seem over my head, which I'll take as an excuse to just not gum up your process. I hope you can share the findings here. Any questions, feel free. We're all pretty good at geo-location by now. --Caustic Logic (talk) 06:31, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I've been going though this particular video generating metadata. What I have found out is that despite being uploaded on Dec 29 it refers to events some months ago. Quite when I'm not sure but most likely summer 2013


 * And yes, it's bloody tedious. I'm guessing one or two videos a day at best. Though at least I'm getting my computer skills back after a bit of a hiatus. Here's a bit of the metadata - still experimental

 1.0 Syria - SAA in Damascus Al-Qaboun suburb 1806 (Low).webm RrmAlnZlGyQ.mkv Jobar</Tag> <Tag>Qaboun</Tag> <Tag>Damascus</Tag> <Tag>ANNA</Tag> <Location> <Offset_Time>0.0000</Offset_Time> <Duration>0</Duration> <Lat>33.528045</Lat> <Lon>36.328973</Lon> <Desc>MultiStory Building</Desc> <Map_Symbol>Structure></Map_Symbol> <Camera> <Offset_Time>0.0000</Offset_Time> <Duration>0</Duration> <Lat>33.529986</Lat> <Lon>36.32395</Lon> <Azimuth>120</Azimuth> <Desc>Overlooking Building</Desc> <Map_Symbol>Camera></Map_Symbol> </Camera> </Location>

--Charles Wood (talk) 07:11, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I've heard that part of the team is back in Russia on "vacation" and use the time to sort through so-far unpublished material.


 * I'd say you got the general spot but it's not in the "middle tower block" if you mean the three quadratic ones. If you draw a line of sight just at the edge of what is seen from the building, it ends a bit north of the big crossing. On the parking lot that beamer is just touching the pointy little building. Drawing back the line between those two points shows that we are on the higher building north of the three. If we were on the "middle tower block" the pointy building would be out-of-sight to the left. Just a quick impression. --CE (talk) 07:30, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I guess you are right. Which means the camera azimuth is closer to 120. The rooftop water-tanks will be on top of the three shorter buildings.


 * My good news today is I can now embed metadata into Matroska Container format videos (basically webm). So I have an easy path from a database full of metadata and a YT video to a fully self-documenting video file. Next trick is to see if the metadata survives upload to YT. --Charles Wood (talk) 07:47, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

The tower is the Teachers' Tower in Jobar. I think it is still in rebel possession. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The video now has German subtitles (thanks to apxwn) and I know why that huge building is called the "Teacher's Tower" - it was the HQ of the Syrian Teacher's Union(!) - that alone must have been reason enough for everybody from Ron Paul to Prince Fatso to fight the "regime"! ;o)


 * The flatter association of buildings between the TT and the large crossing viewed from Charles' Tower, with the red-white checkered sides, is the "IT-College". The recordings are from end of August, he says. --CE (talk) 20:52, 30 December 2013 (UTC)

Charles, likely you are aware of it, but one never knows. Saw this analysis of ANNA videos linked over at apxwn again. --CE (talk) 21:17, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes I'm aware of the analysis. I do have doubts about some of the dates they provide for events. They seem to have mistaken upload dates for event dates in some cases.
 * Their chronology is ANNA based and does not necessarily match ground-truth when compared against insurgent videos. For instance there is clear evidence there was an infantry ('Shabiha') assault on the technical school on August 22, while osmint only describes 'Fight for a school in Jobar' on October 16. (Plus their damned map image is rotated 90 degrees!)
 * ANNA videos come in at least two categories. The majority are uploaded within a day or so of the event (NEWS). Then a smaller fraction are uploaded some period later (HISTORY)--Charles Wood


 * P.S. My video above is not part of the osmint analysis. They seem to have concentrated on the Jobar Qaboun industrial area asides from a sally into Qaboun and some work at the East of Jobar (talk) 00:06, 31 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The Zamalka maps are rotated 180 degrees. In fact the conflict area is not in Zamalka at all, but on the Jobar side of the Southern Bypass Road. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:09, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

Spam Filters - bypass?
I want to add a link to a superb debunk of the UN report titles "Pigeon Poop on the Pump Handle: A Critique of the Report of the UN Mission to Investigate the Use of Sarin in Damascus"

However the links I use - either to scribd or via a tc abbreviated address get blocked as spam. How do I bypass this? -- Charles Wood (talk) 02:35, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


 * http://logophere.com/Syria/Syria%20Docs/Ghouta%20Final%20ver01a.pdf‎ -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:13, 4 January 2014 (UTC)


 * We are also proud to have the author who posted it himself among our membership. Maybe there is some "captcha" thing you have to fill out, Charles? We had that problem at the host we were on before we came here, but frankly, Dennis would have been in the same position. No Idea where the problem lies. (+I signed your post for you) --CE (talk) 03:20, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Request for Assistance - Gas mapping
I've been using a fairly standard air-dispersion model to map the distribution of Sarin as released by the CW missiles. I use 48kg of Sarin instantaneously evaporated as a starting point (yes I know there is a liquid / vapor fraction but we are looking at cumulative exposure)

My problem is that my post-processing of the data produces results I don't really expect. For instance eye-effects up to 14 km downwind but lethality only up to 1000-1300m (LCt50) and on a very narrow strip.

I'd like someone numerate and literate and scientific and skilled in spreadsheets to look at my analysis and give informed criticism.

I produced a preliminary image showing the cloud extent based on fairly well defined cloud edges but limited to 3km. Lethal areas are much closer to the centreline and stop at 1000-1300m while eye effects extend far beyond the green area - 14k downwind. The image is a direct output of the computer model using 'instantaneous' values rather than cumulative values. It sets the bounds of interest for individual gas releases.

Contact me at charles.wood2013@yahoo.com.au for data files *if* you are competent and can help.



--Charles Wood (talk) 14:52, 6 January 2014 (UTC)


 * A thought: Do we have any idea of how many of the victims (supposedly) died in their homes and how many outside in the open. This should be reflected in the demographics of the victims from each effected area. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 17:46, 6 January 2014 (UTC)



From the two maps I read that practically everyone in Saqba should have been incapacitated. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:27, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

--Charles Wood (talk) 02:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Everyone up to 13 km downwind would be showing miosis - that's 13,000 hectares or 260,000 people at an average 20/hectare (guess)
 * At least half the people up to 13km downwind would have noticable breathing and muscle symptoms. (130,000 people - perhaps more because it's more built-up)
 * At least half the people up to 5km downwind would be showing severe respiratory and muscle symptoms (min 50,000 people)


 * Doing some research on the Ghouta target areas I was surprised to find the urban density of Zamalka was over 230 / hectare in 2004. That's quite high. Quite what the figure in 2013 was is another question. You have 9 years growth but some amount of disturbance from war. My best guess is that the urban density was still quite high and well over the European norm pf 50/hectare and certainly more than the US norm of 20/hectare.
 * --Charles Wood (talk) 10:07, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Some help in estimating population density. I believe most of Zamalka was abandoned by August 21. Life in Saqba seems like normal. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:16, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Zamalka and Saqba are contiguous. Zamalka is also contiguous with Irbin. Irbin was closer to the fighting in the Jobar / Qaboun industrial area than Zamalka. It seems there was still significant populaton in Irbin, just not in the immediate vicinity of the Southern bypass. I'm surprised that Zamalka, which wasn't the scene of any heavy engagements, was also deserted. Perhaps in the immediate vicinity of the Southern Bypass? But the rest? I doubt the Zamalka parts near Saqba were empty and this is where the gas attacks are alleged. --Charles Wood (talk) 22:32, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I do not think anyone has done a proper study of Ghouta population and depopulation before August 21 based on solid video evidence. What we do have is this map by Syrian Perspective. He claims all the main roads in Ghouta are "contested". I have no idea what this really means, if anything. Maybe the SAA sen three T72s down the road and one of them got through. Maybe the roads had been targeted by thermobaric UMLACAs to cave in the tunnels underneath. What is interesting is the green spots. Any civilian population living under rebel control would most likely be concentrated in these areas. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:52, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

From the BBC:
 * Growing suffering of Syria's besieged civilians – Leana Hosea, 5 December 2013
 * ''This means the electricity has been cut and no food, medicine or gas can enter the town, only bombs rain down. The UN (office for the coordination of Humanitarian Affairs) have expressed grave concern about reports that over half a million people remain trapped in rural Damascus and there are cases of severe malnutrition amongst children.

From Wikipedia:
 * Greater Damascus, a metropolitan area with more than 4 million inhabitants'''...

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 10:34, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Haber's law
I have been wondering how to model the effects of CW inside houses. How much of the outside concentration would seep in? Now I see that this is unnecessary; the Ct values (concentration * time) inside would be exactly the same as outside! If sarin follows Haber's law, then the lethality inside would the same as outside. It would just take longer for victims to receive the lethal dose. If the victims were sleeping inside, as claimed, they might die without ever waking up. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 09:39, 11 January 2014 (UTC)


 * There is a fixed duration of the cloud. If there is limited gas transport between inside and out then inside will be safer. You saw this in Israel during the Gulf wars where people were told to seal up a room with masking tape in anticipation of a CW attack. This works for Sarin but not for longer persistence agents like VX.


 * No, you are wrong. Krohn's corollary to Haber's law says, that in a gas attack you are as dead inside as you are outside.
 * The only way to save oneself in the lethal zone would be to go outside as soon as the concentration outside falls below the level inside. Would people be clever enough to do so? How would they know it is safe outside? "Evil Assad" might have another barrage coming. Maybe the first attack was just an "unmasking" operation to get the people out into the open.
 * In the non-lethal zones people would be killing themselves by taking the wrong steps and sealing themselves and a lethal dose of gas inside. It was very hot in Damascus on August 21, 2013; above average with a daytime maximumf of 37C and 23C at 2 am. People would be sleeping with their windows wide open. As soon as they knew of the gas attack they would close the windows. They might notice the panic on the street. They might already have symptoms, or the "sarin" might be accompanied with a smell. There were reports that megaphones on mosques were broadcasting instructions for people to seal themselves inside. By the time people reacted it may have been too late, there was already a lethal dose inside. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:26, 12 January 2014 (UTC)


 * Of course it would be too late once the mosques broadcast the alarm. The gas cloud - just a big puff - passed each location at between 10 and 18 km/h and the duration of the cloud was tens to hundreds of seconds.


 * As a person who lives in a hot climate (yesterday was 44C and overnight 30C, and I spent much of the day ducking from hundreds of roof-top helicopter bombing raids trying to stop my suburb burning down) I think your estimate of all open windows isn't really realistic. Personally I have no air-con and I tend to keep the windows shut whenever outside is hotter than in. Most of my neighbours however have split cycle air-con where there is no air exchange at all. The aircon keeps the inside cool by cooling inside air. Evaporative air-con doesn't really work in multi-story apartments so you see an awful lot of individual dwellings with split cycle with the external heat exchanger on the outside wall or balcony (and this is in most countries I travel to) --Charles Wood (talk) 04:02, 12 January 2014 (UTC)