Talk:Petrov and Boshirov

Police report

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Russian response
It is rather unlikely that Russia really does not know who this people are. (1) They traveled on Aeroflot; would be surprising if passengers lists are unavailable (2)genuine Russian 'external' passports would be obviously issued by Russia (either foreign ministry, where Zakharova is, or interior ministry), and it should be possible to find out. They say that UK refused exact data, like passport numbers; that's a bit strange; and makes it more difficult to locate, but not an impossible task (3) if those passports were not genuine, it can be established in a similar way.

So it looks like Russia is complaining about lack of transparency of the UK investigation and is unwilling to participate in such. (Noted, there is an announcement that Russian FM will reveal some further information, 'in New York and Hague'; unclear whether this is something new). --Resup (talk) 00:32, 6 September 2018 (UTC)


 * Что «Фонтанке» известно о подозреваемых в отравлении Скрипалей -Fontanka, 5 September, 2018
 * (Some claims about the suspects made, DOB, address, etc. Sources of claims not explained) --Resup (talk) 10:41, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Alexander Petrov, the one found by Fontanka, denied having anything to do with this, denied visiting London/UK --Resup (talk) 13:38, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Timeline

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Timeline, weird. Sunday may be the best doorknob day, less mail deliveries. But alleged assassins arrive in the afternoon (not even the first train), after only a brief visit a day earlier. This is (nearly?) a failure, Skripals gone, and they are not supposed to know when they are back. It may be not a good idea to apply poison while target is away, because there is no guarantee who and when will first touch the knob. So likely they have to wait for them to return not applying poison (wait for this even if it's applied, or how they will know the 'operation' was successful?). OK, assume wait without application. Even if there was a miracle and Skripals were back home in that 'dark' timeslot, 9:13 to 13:30, what will 'assassins' do? Apply poison and wait for Skripals to leave (to be sure of success)? Knock on the door with 'hello, I am postman Pechkin, you have a delivery from Putin?' Looks weird. Real ones probably will keep things under watch for way longer, before striking at a good opportunity, not just arrive, eject, and leave, in 2 hours after noon. (Venediktov: a cover-up group? --But Venediktov is 'in bed' with Westernish--believes that it's as they say). -And how do we know that they did not come to see the Magna Carta, or whatever else they fancy? --Resup (talk) 22:41, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

They say, even bandits in the 90's used 3 different groups, like watch/strike/clean, or whatever is the play --Resup (talk) 22:46, 6 September 2018 (UTC)

Cover? Whose cover?
It's hard to believe that Russian services will do it in the open without trying to make an appearance of it coming from elsewhere. (I can think of only one (remotely) plausible motif: there is 'that tape, and not of Ms Lewinsky', and Skripal is the one who revealed it. If it ends in a strike, no point to do it openly, as this just confirms a shaky, weird story. Open strike is to instill fear, and that is clearly not on the cards at all here. So GRU is not going to come from Moscow, do it, and nothing else, and leave. Visit a fucking museum at least. They should have enough brains to know about video cameras. In a coin shop, a camera will be in plain sight to see. Why would they put their funny faces into it? There is enough examples of strikes avoiding cameras, or using some cover-up, or whatever; why it needs to be so dumb here, unless it is a cover-up, aimed to look as 'evil Russian assassins' in the tabloids? --Resup (talk) 23:17, 6 September 2018 (UTC)