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Floor numbering?
Victim No. 23 (Anna Varenikina) was said by photographer to be on the fourth floor, in a similar office as 5th floor victims. Are we sure everyone is using the same floor numbering system? What number is the ground floor? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:39, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * It seems most sources mean the same as me - ground floor is floor 1, floor 5 the top on with no wings portions, just middle. In the one case, good question - some Europeans consider ground floor floor 0 and the one above it floor 1. If that's what Alena meant, Anna would be on the 5th floor. Similar offices from sunlight angle in, both on the southwest-facing (back) side. I think. Offices with dead are seen on both floors, I'm guessing the rooms they let that be seen in because they were administrative/support centers for the Kulikovo alternative - "terrorist" centers - and any actions against "terrorists" is what was just declared legal ... --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:14, 23 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Sergei told BBC "the fire" started behind a third floor window, and I've seen such on floors 2 and 3, not on floor 4 if they meant it the other way... and people have cited the video for 3 as support for floor 3 claims. And the supposed room match between Anna and the screaming woman on video with Ukie flag display is because it's 4th floor - although the wrong part of the building, maybe... (the north wing,  so top floor there, flag from behind a northeast-facing window opened the same angle as Anna's window, with the screaming woman I think in a different room around the corner from there - still 4th floor, but facing the front - see this video. So I think these are different women in different parts of the 4th floor). --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:34, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Picture showing the comparison, for reference - the room with the suspect activity you can hear seems to the left, near the ladder running up. That's where a masked head is seen occasionally... --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:46, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

For a Russian-speaker, no "ground floor", it is "first floor", первый этаж (Russian), перший поверх (Ukrainian). Not 100 % sure about Ukrainian, but will be greatly surprised if it is different from Russian. There is 'цокольний поверх' as a literal translation of "ground floor" to Ukrainian, but that one is supposed to have floor at BELOW ground level (and at a distance not more than 1/2 of total height) wikipedia-Ukainian. This is something quite rare, and no reason to think it was used. I believe only a British will say "ground floor". There may be genuine confusion among witnesses which floor some actual event happened --Resup (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * So floor 1 is floor 1 then? Good, that's how it seemed. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:34, 23 November 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes--Resup (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2014 (UTC)