Talk:Ukraine news/Current


 * Talk prior to Oct. 2016 is here
 * Oct 2015 to Dec. 2021 here

"Putin's (not) Ultimatum"
Zbigniew Brzezinski: while 500 billion dollars owned by Russia’s elites still lie in American banks, whose this elite is, yours or ours ?

Maksim Kalshnikov: presently, it's 3 times that amount. He and Vershinin: but, there are still few top figures who are already in all sanctions lists, and who are officers (meaning code of conduct) who still care about Russia. (Continue to say how many things are stacked against Russia, financially, regarding Ukraine and NATO, etc).

On Borrell's stupid comment, only winners can make demands. Presumably he means that the West is the winner in Cold War 1? What else did he ever "won"? Cold war 1 is a separate matter(a lot of that was due to internal events, plus cunning manipulations externally, not a result of direct conflict). A lot is stacked against Russia presently, making it, apart from the weapons, weaker. Money, economy as commonly practiced, cadres of capable leaders with actual power, etc. But, in terms of willpower and weapons, could be an advantage; while on ideology and worldview, the jury is out. Talk of weapons is because diplomacy is failing and there is no other choice. It would be a huge mistake to underestimate Russia in a case of a major direct conflict. Or hope of having "winners", and being the one. It is just nonsensical. --Resup (talk) 04:03, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Reports that Russia is planning a "false-flag" operation may be false
''In fact, we have information that they pre-positioned a group of operatives to conduct what we call a false flag operation, an operation designed to look like an attack on them or their -- or Russian-speaking people in Ukraine, again, as an excuse to go in. ''And we already have, in addition, indications that Russian influence actors are already starting. They're already starting to fabricate Ukrainian provocations that -- in both state and social media to, again, try to justify in advance some sort of pretext for incursion.
 * Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby holds a Press Briefing, January 14, 2022.
 * ''Without getting into too much detail, we do have information that indicates that Russia is already working actively to create a pretext for a -- for a potential invasion, for -- you know, a move on Ukraine.

This was earlier alleged by the telegram site "general SVR" on December 22, 2021
 * (and further, on general SVR2 reserve channel, January 3; back on main channel January 19; and On Jan 26, with "preliminary invasion date" of Feb 20 -22. Although there are a number of things on those days (maneuvers, end of chinese olympics, Red Army day, it would take Ukraine to attack for a response; and it can only happen if it is externally engineered. Or, it will be at random time like an earthquake, because things are not really in order --Resup (talk) 01:27, 29 January 2022 (UTC)).

The site publishes a mix of stories which can't possibly be true, commercials for cryptocurrency and such, stories which claim unprecedented level of insider access but are unverifiable (and could be conjectures wrapped up as insider information), apart from being alternative versions of news items. The site is closely related, if not identical, to Valerii Solovei, who has some academic and diplomatic credentials, and yet claims to be working for some secret society, which is so secret and powerful that has not got a name.
 * There is also youtube channel, with main figure, unknown, not Valerii Solovei, and kickback, Sergei Zhirnov, ex-KGB, who emigrated to France in 2001.

However, if those sources information about Russia's plans to pre-emptively attack Ukraine are true leaks, it is highly unlikely that those sources (which publish such type of stuff on a regular basis) would be tolerated, (as something which is much less apparently is not).

Moreover, it is unclear why to manufacture a false flag if ceasefire violations, killings and maiming of soldiers and civilians, destruction of property, etc, occur daily, from 2014 to this day. --Resup (talk) 01:43, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Strelkov, in interviews to OSN, Roy TV, Jan 20, 21: configuration of Russian forces unfit for an offensive --Resup (talk) 17:56, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

BBC woke up to say that Kremlin will install Muraev as head of Ukrainian pro-Russian puppet government ---I don't think so. (Is Russian pro-Western non-system opposition groomed to lead pro-Western puppet Russian government?) --Resup (talk) 23:07, 22 January 2022 (UTC)

In response, RU FM via TASS: We call on the British Foreign Office to stop provocative activities, stop spreading nonsense and concentrate on studying the history of the Tatar-Mongol yoke"  (I am not sure why it's here, not on the page on Kazakhstan) --Resup (talk) 01:32, 23 January 2022 (UTC)

Muraev denied the report. He is under Russian sanctions (said to be, for publicly reporting to SBU Medvedchuk visit to Moscow). --Resup (talk) 03:10, 24 January 2022 (UTC)

More "attack dates"

 * Putin could attack Ukraine on Feb. 16, Biden told allies - Politico, February 11, 2022
 * Maria Zakharova, Telegram, February 11, 2022
 * The hysteria of the White House is more revealing than ever. The Anglo-Saxons need a war. At any price. Provocations, disinformation and threats are a favorite method of solving one's own problems. The steamroller of American military-political machine is ready to go through people's lives again.

Waiting for Godot

 * Chechen Rosgvardia, song and dance, Voronezh region, Russia, February 19, 2022 --Resup (talk) 14:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
 * During Strelkov interview to Karaulov, 20 Feb, the latter suggested that some sort of important announcement is expected on Russian TV channels this Monday or Tuesday, like recognition of L/DPR, or "military-technical steps", etc. However with Macron's stuff, this does not look likely? --Resup (talk) 02:19, 21 February 2022 (UTC)

War
Pushilin's warning need to be taken seriously -- and he asks civilians to take cover. L/DPR forces are slowly advancing; meanwhile, reports of Russian forces possibly in Balakleya. It would be too easy to shell Ukrainian-held, pro-Russian cities and blame Russia/L/DPR. But also, for families, relatives of those killed, it would not really matter, no investigation is going to resurrect anybody --Resup (talk) 12:22, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

Did TASS report this, or it was broken into? For a brief moment, it published info reproduced here, and in addition, "49 grenades" lost. Then it disappeared. Reported losses are very high, and to the tune of Gordon claims a day or so earlier. Is this cyber attack or real? Not on wayback machine. Probably unreal, in addition to "49 grenades", how do you shoot 27 planes and 26 helicopters, with only about 3 helicopters and no verifiable Russian planes downed seen on social media. There are many light and cargo vehicles destroyed but so far I have seen one destroyed tank and one damaged one. Could be a number of BTRs, on those "too big" telegram videos. Publishing human losses would be breaking the law, unless MoD does it properly. Is this cyber-attack? --Resup (talk) 15:55, 27 February 2022 (UTC)
 * It was fake, TASS was broken into. Гармат is Ukrainian for cannon, not Russian for grenade. The numbers were the same as Ukr. MoD claims.

Strelkov (March 7) "splayed-finger strike". Calls for (partial/) mobilization.

Against use of foreign "volunteers" ("more harm than good"). --Resup (talk) 17:58, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Aleksei Danilov, Ukr. security and defense council: “We couldn’t tell the public that there would be a war tomorrow. It was unacceptable, because it was one of the tactics of the Russian Federation to start chaos here. We held on to the last, we prepared to the last. We clearly understood that this would happen".

[https://t.me/chergovii/22064 Ukr. activist]: ''I don’t know what Danilov thought, but this statement can now be easily interpreted as confirmation of the opuses of the Russian propaganda about the allegedly preparing military operation in ORDLO, which they miraculously prevented. See, that's how it will be

--Resup (talk) 18:10, 12 March 2022 (UTC)A