Talk:Crash of Malaysia Airlines flight MH17/Zaroshchenskoye

Three questions?
These three questions need to be answered. (Discuss each issue in a separate section below.) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 03:14, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
 * 1) Where there BUK launchers in Zaroshchenskoye in mid July 2014? What proof is there of their existence?
 * 2) Were there Ukrainian soldiers in Zaroshchenskoye in mid July? Who were they loyal to? Or were they somehow trying to remain neutral?
 * 3) When and how did NAF take over Zaroshchenskoye?

Partial Answers
I don't think we know for sure (and I do not see Zaroshenskoe as the only possibility, despite Almaz-Antei report; matching fragment damage to missile orientation being the tricky part)
 * 1. Russian MoD gave us satellite photos. Bellingcat tried to disprove it, with an early attempt debunked. Than they purchased satellite images from a commercial provider and claimed that MoD   were faked.

I do not have a strong view, could be faked, or commercial photos are not accurately timed, or we see those images at different angles and image qualities, Since 'investigative' methods at bc are propaganda-driven, conclusion cannot be reached just on the basis of their presentation; there is no independent info available to me.
 * 2. It was not a base really, some launchers parked there is all, can move easily. Loyalties -we do not know
 * 3 I do not know (was not following really, as never had strong belief in Zaroshenskoe location. Maps can be found and may give some answers). Almaz-Antey was telling us, Buk was from Zaroshenskoe, and we do not know who was there at the time. Without more research, that would be state of play here. --Resup (talk) 03:38, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Unauthorized launch story
Unauthorized launch story appeared early on, also quoting unnamed sources; we had this somewhere, in fall of 2014. Nothing more definite came out, so this seems to recycle old story, not a new information coming out now. Debunk link--could not see much said in there on the issue. Novaia Gazeta published Almaz Antey and than two competing versions, the last one 'there were no planes at all and our unnamed sources tell that Russians did it'. It ends with Petrovskii delivering Buk audio transcript. But Petrovskii recently denied involvement, on social media forum. And those unnamed sources said it both ways --Resup (talk) 02:46, 27 July 2015 (UTC)