Talk:CyberBerkut

Holocaust in Dnepropetrovsk
Valentina Lisitsa on Twitter:
 * ''A "mini-Holocaust" they called it in Kolomoysky clan. Leaked emails explain why Israel cancelled Ukraine arms deal. http://pic.twitter.com/EUvIImWhEk
 * ''The leak is obviously from "enemy camp" - in election campaign we will see many juicy things coming up. It will not make news because stuff like this is a subject of negotiations. The report that "Israel stopped the deal bcs Russia was unhappy" means Russian side probably said "You ship arms - we air grieving relatives of those 19 killed, you have a major PR problem at home" and both sides come to mutual understanding,  agree, shake hands and part. Human lives are but pawns in this game.

Leaked email translated and posted as picture. Kolomoisy, Parasyuk, Odessa mentioned.

The whole cache seems to be here, including letters from the IMF. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:11, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Взломан ящик Филатова. Подробности переписки "Холокост по-днепропетровски" (Hacked box Filatov. Details of correspondence "Holocaust in Dnepropetrovsk")

Contradictory news from Odessa
Contradictory reports from Odessa, 7.10.2014

Mikhail Maiman is reported to claim more that 20 beatings of Jews by the Right Sector, in Suvorov district of Odessa, in the 1 month period.

Another source claims this to be a "blatant lie". Right sector is reported to deny
 * Right Sector is reported to comment "If you are ready to fight with internal and external enemies of Ukraine, ethnicity, religion, etc do not matter"  (this is  plausible, as those guys would have trouble to figure out who is who, they may just happen to me mostly jewish). Even if Right Sector is an 'equal opportunity  harasser',  this still would be a problem. It appears that police is passive, and order is maintained by Right Sector

'Press secretary of Jewish Society of Ukraine Berl Kapulkin' is reported to say that 'Mikhail Maiman is not a member, (and actually, may not even exist)'

Mikhail Maiman is reported to say that an appeal to World Jewish Congress in New York will be made 'next week' demanding that Right Sector is disarmed. --Resup (talk) 03:46, 8 October 2014 (UTC)

HELP I'm LOST HERE

 * ''Moved from Talk:Ukraine war casualties

sorry, we can kill this later.

Guys are we on the same planet with Ukraine??

Someone just posted on Saker a link to allegedly hacked emails to/from staff of Kolomoisky.
 * The Holocaust in Dnepropetrovsk Style – Slavyangrad.org, 2014/10/05

problems with death of one Garik Zylberbord which honestly I don't recall seeing before

problems with being maybe betrayed by "famous" Sektor leader Volodymyr Parasyuk  who there is something horribly fake about, eved if the emails story is not true, claims to have been captured, moved to 3 or 4 places INCLUDING RUSSIA and ESCAPED unharmed.... all in 2 days
 * The incredible story of Volodymyr Parasyuk’s salvation – Sergey Naumovych, EuromaidanPR, September 2, 2014

about as credible as this little propaganda piece from him a while back
 * VOLODYMYR PARASYUK: Captured traitor tells all – Volodymyr Parasyuk, EuromaidanPR, 07.23.2014

Guy is phoney trough and through. But.... what brand of phoney? I don't know about the emails, right or wrong, except they had this info in them which has not been anywhere else apart from his facebook and 1 translation.

How is this playing out? it is so twisted there I am going seriously dizzy and wondering what planet is it on? is any of this real? is it someone from Mars pretending to be CIA pretending to be NR pretending to have hacked a Jew running a Nazi death squad? wwwwaaaaaa!

The 37 killed seems a reference to one of the recent mass graves unearthed...

HELP KatKan (talk) 12:54, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * That leak must be a couple of days/weeks old, I've read the mails before. Can't remember where. This guy Kolomoiski is really like some super-villain from the comic books. Just yesterday I've read that there is a campaign among influential Jews to kick him out of their organizations, so maybe there is something to the "upset in Israel" talked about in the mails. Funny: The European Jewish Parliament is an organization founded by Kolomoiski himself. --CE (talk) 13:39, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * and I never saw it??? wow. OK. Good they want to kick him out. What if they take his citizenship, too? he'll end up having to go live in Cyprus. They could look at what the others are doing too, while they're there. At least 4 of former Odessa (Jewish) mayor's close staff were actively involved in the Odessa fire.  Thanks, CE, for calming me down a bit, now I can go back to finding a few more of those rats. KatKan (talk) 14:43, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Checked my newsfeed folder but only found out that it had to have been before September 24, as that was the last time I deleted the stuff there... and some creative googling showed me that it made the rounds a day earlier, as such things happen. But only in English, the leak itself has already been on September 16. Then on September 23 "Cyber Riot Novorossiya" published an English narration on facebook. Some other interesting stuff on their page there. According to this story based on other leaks, my beloved Chancelloress has developed a scheme pressuring weaker EU countries into buying Ukrainian steel at grossly inflated prices to fill Kievs coffers... --CE (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I am too tired to dig things but it as a possibly related entry, it was reported that K*** threatened Tsarev, Russia-friendly politician, as I recall, to blame some Jewish death on him. That upset some other jewish folks and they were very seriously pissed off by this reported behavior. I do not want to put any warranty of any of that actually happened. I do not want to get into any of that, actually --Resup (talk) 14:59, 6 October 2014 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I remember some leaked phone call between the two as well. --CE (talk) 16:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Phone call was K telling T there's a $million price on his head for something or another, supporting Donbass I think.KatKan (talk) 18:33, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * ...which T considered and decided to not get pissed off...--Resup (talk) 18:58, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * on ethnic side, there is a very strong and unusual condemnation ( “We have our own rascals, just as any other people. K is precisely such a type,” Kogan said). If he did something wrong, should be held responsible --Resup (talk) 20:08, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I have moved the thread to this page and to this section as the leak was already discussed here on September 16th. (Use the Special:RecentChanges to see what is happening on other pages.) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:21, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Kolomoiskii reads russvesna.su to get his news about 2 days before the best Ukrainian news about the conflict in Donbas. Recently he gave some 2 hour interview, apparently a short segment of it is linked. He has self-contradictory message that (1) because of the war, news should be censored (this is what he appears to say in the beginning of the clip), but (2) how Ukranian media can be trusted if it reports with at least 2 day delay what is available on russvesna.

Yesterday, there was Ukr report that UAF at Donetsk airport repelled all terrorist attacks. (The truth is likely that there are still UAF underground, and Novorossia cannot move equipment to the airport, because they will be shelled from Peski. So it is still somewhat contested, but not like it is controlled by UAF who repels all terrorists. And what's ultimately the point of Ukrainian media ill-coverage? Delay the obvious? --Resup (talk) 12:53, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

Kolomoiskii interview, 27.09.2014 no-nonsense (e.g. around 47.59 explains why for somebody in high government decentralization would appear unattractive, for money/greed reasons). Chooses presentation to appear to care about people in Novorossia. Too long to watch or translate in full, maybe interesting bits are picked by some commentators elsewhere. --Resup (talk) 13:38, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

I think that for ukr.op. media to have any credibility, the media-et-all magnate Mr. Kolomoyskii shall provide his commentary to the video shot in his own backyard, explaining numbers 6350-6554 on the graves in particular, as well as why there are many open pits, etc. And I hope the video will not disappear, also. --Resup (talk) 14:14, 7 October 2014 (UTC)
 * But it dissappeared. (WTF?) --Resup (talk) 07:35, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Russian sources, including Cassad, give links without explaining or commenting, like with shrug of shoulders, to this video, Philip Ekoziants (Филипп Экозьянц-VK) (He appears to be well-known in Kharkov singer (romance songs), and recently announced Kharkov partisans responsibility for blowing up train wagons carrying fuel at Sheblinka station. That was done in a very dramatic, stylistically similar video adressed to Anton Gerashenko with details published on social networks one hour before the train exploded. That was said to kill none and save lives of Ukrainian soldiers delayed on their way to ATO.   Do not know him otherwise; apparently treated with respect, but do not know any more background). In the video, Philip, in a drmatic voice, gives us an urgent message that recent rumors of Benya K. giving up and leaving are untrue, and what is true is that he is busy preparing private army of Western mercenaries, advisers, and weapons. And so soon they brush aside current spectacle, take over, and Ukraine will be finished and all of fellow Ukrainians will no longer be needed and  will hang or something. This is probably seriously exaggerated, because successfully doing something like that requires Iraq-scale investment. Hiring Academi may protect a factory but not win heavy-weapons war. On the other hand some anti-Poroshenko line is fairly obvious, so something may go on in the background. Putting it here as do not see translations or discussions of that video. --Resup (talk) 15:14, 20 January 2015 (UTC)
 * And Anton Gerashenko is that same MOI adviser who broke the news about MH17 shot by separatists and immediately picked up by Ukraine and the West...--Resup (talk) 16:10, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Looked more into this and got even more skeptical. There is some long-going religious-type dispute/controversy, with (A) Philip Ekoziants (  orthodox christian ) + Eduard Hodos (Эдуард Ходос), who is  reform Judaism, ex- Lubavitch-Chabad, and currently pro-orthodox christian on one side, and (B) Benya K and friends like Yarosh --viewed as Lubavitch-Chabad for whatever reason by (A). All of that is seriously out of bounds, and I see no reason to run with any of that stuff. I see this type of thing on Saker in off-putting quantities already, but here this sort of thing is taken to the very extreme. --Resup (talk) 06:58, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Avakov–McNeely prank call
Should this be filed under leaks?
 * US General promises help to Ukraine in a prank call – RT, October 10, 2014
 * ''A high-ranking US general has promised Ukraine to help equip its National Guard in a call made by a Russian prankster who pretended to be Ukrainian Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.
 * ''Prankster Vladimir Krasnov and unsuspecting US Brig. Gen. Kevin McNeely discussed the problems concerning the Ukraine crisis and the possibility of military and financial aid to Ukraine, LifeNews reports. Krasnov asked about Ukrainian aid requests. According to General McNeely the Pentagon may equip “four companies and one battalion headquarters” of National Guard.

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:46, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Pranks aside, it was officially reported in Russian press that USA does not plan to send lethal arms to Ukraine, but may eventually have do it if crisis gets out of hand. It is not up to Pentagon to ship arms somewhere, of course, at least since the President is the Commander-in-Chief, and overall there is civilian oversight of the military. All of that should be in official legal documents somewhere, and linked to Constitution. So what prankster adds is a laugh (which indeed is in short supply). --Resup (talk) 21:23, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

I say it includes a sort of leak. As an insider, McNeely thinks that might fly. It might help having that aired to underscore the reminder that, officially, Washington will not be doing that. They were considering it, but hopefully less so now. --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:50, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

BND
BND accuses "separatists" shooting MH17 with Buk captured from UAF. Zero evidence is actually presented. Novorossia captured some Buk (according to reports), but that one was not operational (according to same reports, I did not keep links). Also Novorossia does not have officers who are trained in shooting Buk, this is not a shoulder-fired fire-and-forget equipment. What's BND up to ? Saving Merkel face? They do talk about satellite photos, that may be something new. So, where are those photos? --Resup (talk) 18:36, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

20 July, Bolotov, LNR, offers anybody to inspect their Buk which is not in working condition. (BND, did you check?Where is the report of that check And where is (any) of your evidence? ) --Resup (talk) 19:12, 19 October 2014 (UTC)