Talk:Odessa Trade Union massacre/Videos

The Perfect Video List
Forthcoming: see. Below this, no further comment, just the list, whenever. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

In Progress List
(subject to change) --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC)
 * (moved from Talk:Odessa Trade Union massacre)

Petri, the front page list of videos are nearly all dead by now. What's a good way to organize a new, fuller, current list? I've been collecting lots of links, most saved, and it's even a bit organized with notes for most. Of course there are postings, original postings, original names vs. reference names ... I've taken to using the video-length as a unique ID I can see when opening the file, whatever name it has (usually gibberish "D" type characters on my system). --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

Starters by category, in descending order by length, longest first. This way, anyone with an unknown video can use the time to figure out which of these it is, track down original posting, etc. Mostly I'm only doing Youtube as that's what I can see and save here ATM. Other sites where I can't see due to dated flash player (and cannot update) so I'm not sure if it's a dupe, still plays, etc. ... anyone else can add these. --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:59, 22 September 2014 (UTC) and --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

May 2 full-day compilation (including footage both of early clashes and events on Kuloviko Field - original, full-length video - snippets of note can be included and then shuffled beneath their parent video - multi-source compilations go below) --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:07, 23 September 2014 (UTC)
 * 33:04 orig. posting? (fisheye lens)
 * 31:23 Hromadske.od.ua https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DdK-yqCJfsg
 * 23:21 Tracce E-95 original posting
 * 7:25 Pogrom in Odessa

May 2 Mid-Day Clashes only
 * 3:46 2nd clash on Zhukova Lane, above view Митинг антимайданщиков в Одессе. 3 мая 2014 года

May 2 Kulokivo Field/TUH
 * 44:22 "Maydanovtsy save people from a burning house unions" Original YT? (or is original elsewhere?) - another Youtube Posting
 * 33:05 posting
 * A short clip ... from this footage suggests there's a better-quality original around.
 * 24:17 Youtube posting - posting (Mikola shooting, back stairwell fire and falling people, etc.)
 * 12:45 Youtube posting (police, Mikola, north end and front, dusk - fire engine arrives)
 * 10:14 YT (little visual value, dialog would be fascinating translated)
 * 9:13 Youtube posting
 * 6:51 posting (front door fires raging, evacuation)
 * 5:48 O1.ua arrival video original Youtube posting (marching south and arriving, start of assault)
 * 5:36 VID 20140502 195829 By title, (starting? ending?) at 7:58 PM - little visual value (distance view)
 * 3:59 above orig Youtube posting? - "Trade Union House fire in Odessa full video"
 * 3:20 Youtube posting (bad stamp) (mob arrival, civilians inside, ...)
 * 3:10 [3:10 VID 20140502 194721 By title, (starting? ending?) at 7:47 PM. Moderate visual value - may show back stairwell smoke just starting to rise at 0:21
 * 2:16 above orig Youtube posting?
 * 1:06 Dumskaya TV Куликово поле. Спасатели. Одесса. 02.05.14. Dusk, north end, police, fire truck arriving, firefighter carries down a survivor trapped on the 4th floor ledge.
 * 0:22 Youtube posting (explosion heard, little seen - distance view)

Same, after dark (rescues, beatings, arrests, etc.)
 * 13:16 Channel 1 ТА Одесса 20140502 214221 внутри дома профсоюза - digging through the dead's papers, moving and burning on 4th floor landing, partial building tour, neo-Nazi cross has appeared on back gate, etc.
 * 5:15 Channel 1, Ch 1 beating survivors Youtube posting

May 2 other

Witness Accounts
 * 14:34 1612tv/No Comments - May 9 on-site relation by a witness (Ukrainian)

News Reports/Documentaries (include compilations of others' videos)
 * 26:03 Одесса 2 мая.Трибунал кровавого пепла. 3 часть
 * 17:13 PolitRussia https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qGaaCDb9g1U
 * В Сети появилось видео начала штурма Дома профсоюзов в Одессе (Video of assault on House of Trade Unions in Odessa on the net) – Life News, May 6, 2014. (Cites and shows key parts of the Denis Cherkasov videos)
 * One of the entries captured the beginning of the tragedy: immediately after nationalists burned the tent city activists Antimaydana. The footage shows that crowd of young men in masks and wooden sticks in their hands knocked out one of the side doors and entered the building.
 * Next record has been going on inside the building. Militants spread all corridor - someone goes to the second floor, one begins to break in the door, behind which, apparently tried to hide Antimaydana activists. Brutal thugs literally pounce on the locked shutters. In the frame comes a woman who begs radicals stop.

Frames on the record shows that some of the participants of the storm House of Trade Unions have masks. And it is possible that the assumptions of the poisoning victims Ukrainian radicals toxic substances far from the truth.

Other
 * [www.youtube.com/watch?v=lR0x6Oyw12c "The Basement Odessa House Of Trade Unions. may 18, 2014.]
 * The basement was locked. The sign next to the "new" wall, under the Central staircase. What is there to hide? By and large there already poumirali and everywhere pronounced traces of what was there all totally laundered, as well as a surprise was lower... P.S. This only !little! part of the underground communication House of trade Unions.
 * The floor appears to be full of blood ... pretty red to be filmed May 18 ... --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:23, 22 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Odessa. The right Sector throws out the official in a dustbin | September 07 Ukraine Today News (looks to be at the Trade Union Hall) --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:55, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Discussion
(I suggest members adopt and move or start sections here as inspired - I'll be doing both, but don't mind someone saving me work...) --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:36, 6 October 2014 (UTC))

Sergei Dibrov Videos
Special section to highlight this trove... the other day I read an article (pro-Kiev slant but informative) that mentioned "Serhiy Dibrov, coordinator of the (May 2) Group who streamed some 7 hours of footage through the afternoon and evening in his capacity as journalists for Dumskaya.net." I checked Dumskaya's Youtube channel, and a found several short videos (a minute or less), of some value, but no 7-hour treasure chest. But I had noticed a "Mr. Dibrov" account with Odessa videos, and checked that ... turns out he's the original source for the 44:22 video, the 9:13 one right before it, and maybe some others. These two important additions he posted at the time or within days, along with some others. Listed (incomplete, rest in time...) Then just in the last month or two, he posted a huge batch of raw videos, mostly short, but time-stamped (in title) and adding up to near total coverage, spanning from 2:44 PM to 10 PM local, so just over 7 hours (will settle the timeline) The report mentioning his videos was dated August 11, when the first video in the new batch went up August 5. With nearly two months, this one has gotten 18 views. Most others are at 2-10 views each. New stuff here, and so much of it... Partial list, chronological:
 * Куликово поле: начало (Одесса, 02.15.2014) (19:58)
 * 2014 05 02 19:57 длительность 44:22 cb62d954-413a-41fa-89d6-308ac561bde1-6367ce (44:22)
 * 2014 05 02 17:54 длительность 57:38 1d0c3322-7d80-4dab-9a16-44841bbefaf7-e2a849 (57:58)
 * Битва за Одессу 020514 (1:15:53)
 * 2014 05 02 14:44 длительность 04:58 ae692dec 4e66 4dcf 9db0 16bdcadadb3f 41cdf4
 * 2014 05 02 14:50 длительность 08:48 89c37b3b 2f2d 4eea b659 285dca5c7383 d85cbb
 * (as linked, these bring up the list, so I'll cheese out there for now...) --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:32, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

One question this discovery raises, which I can pose: In my latest video, VS11, at 0:22 (actual video start) the filmer of the video that's Dibrov's (so, Dibrov) stands on something and loudly announces something like "Oboborona!" and something else. Anyone able to get a translation of what the coordinator of the 'independent' May 2 Group said there? --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:21, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * A bit confused, that quoted video at 0:22 starts with unintelligible, some da-da-da-da (yes yes yes yes),or tra-ta-ta-ta (imitating sounds), loudly but far away so not much on the recording. At the same time, presenter mumbles something, but it is unintelligible. The first meaningful thing starts at around 0:40, The presenter: kuda-kuda oni vse idut (where-where they are all going) ? Before that, it is unintelligible --Resup (talk) 13:50, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * You can do Russian? Okay, in the video mix, not that clear. Original video at 2:15, if you feel like checking again...--Caustic Logic (talk) 22:42, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
 * 2:15 somebody yells: samooborona !!! (self-defense !!!--call to selfdefence unit to pay attention). From the second station, a crowd is moving !!! 30-40 people !!! Q: second station? A; Yes, Food Academy--Resup (talk) 01:13, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Hm... sounds like he's giving tactical advice to the "self-defense" attackers, to make their attack more effective. Just who he's talking about, not clear to me. "Crowd" implies their side, but "food academy?" And as you mention someone asks where they're going. I'm curious what he says. At about this time, the break-ins were happening at the building's south end. (previous video (7:48 PM) shows at the beginning the southeast entrance (near) not yet in service, while the south/southwest (far) entrance is less clear, but apparently people are lined up an entering by this time. Is he directing people to join that break-in? Would be a little troubling if so. --Caustic Logic (talk) 03:38, 5 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I am not on top of details what's going on and listened only locally. I understand that he (=whoever yells samooborona!) warns the self-defense people, somewhere near him, that a crowd, potentially dangerous, but not identified, of some 30-40 people, is approaching them from a train station number 2, and he clarifies the one which is from the direction of college which prepares specialists for the food industry. there are several such colleges in Odessa, here is a plausible directions map--Resup (talk) 04:48, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
 * Apologies, I didn't get train station, was thinking all on-site (station=door or something and food institute meant???) In terms of the city, that crowd could be some Borotba reinforcements en route. No sign of any fight if they ever arrived - some fresh (no-smoky_ people, including Alaexi Albu (Borotba founder) and middle-aged guys in camouflage are seen in custody later (after 8) at the back of the building (facing the train station), and later yet badly beaten (best view is late in the Tracca E-95 video - Albu-looking guy in clean white shirt). Or it could be something else, but I'll presume nothing of the shady sort I was hoping for. --Caustic Logic (talk) 05:34, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

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