Talk:Alleged chemical attack, March 24, 2013

Date and Time
Should we re-direct this to alleged March 24 attack? If it goes down and gets searched for that way, I say yes. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:20, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Renamed. --CE (talk) 13:57, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool. Things gettin' done. For the record, it was named March 25, as that's when the first reports came in. Might well have been late on the 24th. Details still sketchy. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:00, 25 March 2013 (UTC)
 * k, created redirects from the old name. Can't hurt after all. Not that we don't have enough space. --CE (talk) 14:11, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

Location
Basic: Adra district on Wikimpaia, in two sectors in the far northeast of Damascus, right next to Al-Ghouta, district 4 army base. The previous alleged strike of March 19 was on Al-Otaybah, 15 km southeast of Adra.

Death Toll
I just released The report Red Flags Across the Red Line and have to note an error. That lists zero dead for this incident, because I forgot to check the details. Reports said 2 killed, and VDC lists these. Of 106 Damascus suburbs people killed March 23 and 24 (deadly days there), two rebel fighters from Douma only are listed as dying from chemical and toxic gasses. Ahmad Arbash, Sa'eid Mahmoud Karim, both killed in Adra, it says. Karim has an image: face appears a bit purple, eyes may be puffy.

There's a larger claim, but confused. As Pmr9 has assembled at Talk:British involvement in Syria - the The Guardian reported "A letter from the British government to the UN demanding an investigation said that it had seen "limited but persuasive evidence" of chemical attacks, citing incidents on 19 and 23 March in Aleppo and Damascus and an attack in Homs in December..." and the New York times reported "Britain said there were reports of 15 deaths in the suburban Damascus attack and up to 10 in Aleppo, where the government and rebels have each accused the other of using chemical weapons." There were plural attacks in the Damascus area at this point (Otaybah 3-19 and Adra 3-23/24). One was said to kill 2, the other to kill 7 (6 known at the time). And Aleppo (Khan al-Assal) was said from the start to kill around 20, not "up to 10," and the UN-OPCW investigation ((PDF) later decided on 19 civilians and one soldier. The totals are similar, depending which Damascus incidents we include: up to 25 vs. 22-29).
 * Did they just shift some Aleppo dead to the other incident(s)?
 * Did they mean the 14 Douma-area fighters killed 3-23 and 3-24?
 * Or just these 11 listed as dying in Adra? (both totals include the gassed two)
 * 14 civilian men from Qatana killed under torture in regime prisons, as reported the 24th? (Qatana is far away, west of Daraya, and they were allegedly detained on Feb. 8, and not clear when killed))
 * 14 men and 1 boy from Kafr Batna killed by random shelling the 24th?