Talk:Alleged Chemical Attack, August 2, 2016

Clinical Signs
Videos/photos:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_zlUzpLJrs

To do: review this and other material, make notes, plug these into this table from the Alleged Chlorine Attack Checklist page. --Caustic Logic (talk) 08:47, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Clinical Signs
Other than the one photo, which is very valuable, there's not much (visual) to go on for a table here. There's a bit of footage run by RT, which I hear was filmed by ANNA News. And there's what was reported. So okay, a table. --Caustic Logic (talk) 08:47, 15 September 2016 (UTC)

Video and Photos:
 * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AFNFwx0uWG0 (ANNA via Al-Masdar)

Russian Warning?

 * Syria Analysis: Russia’s Propaganda Over “Rebel Chemical Attack” in Aleppo. Lucas starts out certain the Russian-Syrian claim of a chlorine attack must be false, possibly lodged to distract from the government's genuine use of chlorine the same day. Lucas notes in support:
 * However, the Russians made a critical mistake in their presentation:


 * "Moscow informed Washington of the use of toxic shells on Monday, Lieutenant-General Sergey Chvarkov, head of the Russian Reconciliation Center in Syria, said."


 * Syrian State news agency SANA indicated — and Russian State outlet RT’s story repeats — that the toxic attacks occurred on Tuesday, as part of “terrorist” shelling that killed seven people and wounded 25.


 * The difference in dates raises the question of how Russia could have told Washington about a chemical attack that had not yet occurred.

Sometime that's what's called a "warning." As Press TV decided, reasonably enough, Russia says warned US before Aleppo toxic attack by militants
 * Moscow says it had warned Washington about the use of toxic shells by a US-backed “moderate” militant group before the Tuesday attack that killed seven people and injured over 20 more in Syria’s Aleppo.
 * On Wednesday, Lieutenant-General Sergey Chvarkov, the director of the Russian Reconciliation Center in Syria, said the information was given to the US on Monday, a day prior to the attack.

However, "informed of the use" of weapons does sound, on the face of it, like a report on an event, not a warning of it. But of course language and translation issues might be involved.

Options:
 * Time zone issues seem unlikely; it seems the attack was at night, maybe early evening. This would be mid-morning the same day in Washington, not Monday "their time." If there was an attack on Salaheddin earlier, maybe a post-attack alert would arrive late on Monday...
 * It could be an honest goof-up in stating the day; said on Wednesday, he might mean that day, but got the day before Tuesday confused with a day after? Or, it felt like two days since yesterday, when he informed them, on Tuesday, just after the inicdent.
 * It could refer to a warning, maybe based on some kind of intelligence (observed movements of strange materials, etc.)
 * Maybe it's really what the Russians wrote out, in a "critical mistake" they never noticed - Russian propagandists tried to make sense, but simply didn't realize Monday is not Tuesday. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:10, 15 September 2016 (UTC)


 * First reports came on this came on Tuesday Aug 2 (links here from that day). There was Russian MoD press conference on Aug 1, around 6 p.m.m, but nothing on chemical attacks said there (helicopter downing reported, and that a massive rebel attack near Ansar, south west of Aleppo, was repelled)   RT report may be goof-up made after the event (on Aug. 3). Do not see timely made report of the warning.  (There may be plenty of behind the scenes warnings based on received intelligence, but no reliable info is seen that the warning was made on this occasion) --Resup (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was a private warning, in which case we'd have no public record. Thanks for looking for one though, for good measure. I'll presume there wasn't one. --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:57, 15 September 2016 (UTC)