Talk:Souq Wadi Barada Car Bomb Incident

Car Bombings This Was Not
For the clarification, discussion, and investigative potential, other car bombing of recent days and nearby areas:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2013/09/27/uk-syria-crisis-bomb-idUKBRE98Q0MG20130927 20 killed, 20 wounded, when it blew up by the mosque right after Friday prayers, just like the October 25 one. VDC lists one injured person of this dying almost exactly a month later, on Oct. 25. Or, is that a roundabout way of saying something else? Was the guy injured detonating one bomb and killed by his next, for example? He's listed as a civilian and everything and must've been in hospital, if wounded that bad, and that's a good alibi we could just presume. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Sept. 27, near Damascus:

This has the same death toll as Souq Wadi Barada, approximately (40+), but happened by Hama a few days earlier, where Army and ANNA have access, and army plus it seems even more children were killed, on the highway at a checkpoint. It deserves a page of its own. The car pulled up by a truck of gas canisters that added to the blast. Horrifying footage: ANNA News (thanks, Petri): [http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=3b1_1382524493#3wJOVGcJ0QM7Hugm.01 Terrorists killed 40+ civilians near Hama. 21+] --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Oct. 20, near Hama:

Perp Investigation, pt. 1
I might try locating this and Souq Wadi Barada relative to each other on the map. They could be related/by the same people. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:50, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Indeed! The September one, Rankus on Wikimapia, due north of Douma, and then Wade Barada, southwest from there, 30 km down some remote riverbeds and backroads where nothing is even marked here.--Caustic Logic (talk) 13:19, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Okay, that oddball civilian martyr Abd al-Lateef Snobar - dies the same day as the second blast, from injuries in the first. So was he a resident of Rankus? No, must've been visiting from ... Jdaidet Wadi, it says. On Wikimapia, "Judaydat al WÄdÄ" appears in a search, listed as part of "Israel," but just 8 km SE of Wadi Barada and the second blast mr. Snobar was presumably nowhere near. The label doesn't show on-screen, and it's at a riverbed (Wadi) but (in?) an army facility, or "New Shaibani" neighborhood, right behind Jamraya at the west entrance to Damascus. What am I missing with this entry? A ripe array of targets for car bomb blasts so near this spot he points to and these exploding cars his fate almost seems linked to... --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:58, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

Added the inset graphic to show this all together. The unclear point is his location, but one of the wadis (riverbeds) in this area is suggested: Jdeidat I know I heard -just south of there a few km, Jdeidatal Artouz and J. al-Fadl. J. Wadi should be nearby, like this spot is. Should have mapped that in, but oh well. And to clarify he time coincidence and work in a second perp, I refer back to the VDC's list of 45 explosion fatalities in Damascus suburbs Oct. 25. As predicted it rose, even after I first looked -46 now. Interestingly, it seems the new entry is added at the bottom of the list, where I was just zeroing in. Muzhar Omar. Otherwise, with bottom usually meaning first reported (?), the first two are Mr. Snobar and Mr. 107 Unidentified. He was identifed enough to know he was civilian like all the rest, but nothing else was said. I thought these two being named first was a big clue, but the actual entry number seem be the mark and they say, in order w/number, for the bottom four entries: So I had that backwards, at least for how I had it set this time. Those had been the last two reported, until Mr. Omar succumbed to his wounds more recently, from the one last Friday. Mr. 107 is continuous with less suspicious named people from that town, but right at the tail end, whereas Snobar's death was added after some further entries, later in the day. Still seems pretty fishy and like a possible clue. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Ibrahim Arout, 99104
 * 2) 107 Unidentified, 99105
 * 3) Abd al-Lateef Snobar, 99303
 * 4) Muzhar Omar, 99339

Oct. 25 Rising Death Toll
The original published death toll of 20 rose soon after to 46 by October 29 - last I checked - with Snobar and Mr. Omar appearing last. Others must've been inserted in between, and we can see another 55 entries below - all unnamed adult men (and no other types). These join the other men, one woman, and seven boys, for a total of 140 victims - 99% men. Gender-segreagted mosques aside, a rise from 20 killed and 20 injured to 46 dead to 140 dead requires some explanation. Instead, newer entries just have the same note the others did: "Dozens of civilians were killed as a result of a car bomb explosion in front of the "Osama bin Zaid" mosque, in Wadi Barada main market, after the "Friday prayers"‬" --Caustic Logic (talk) 02:15, 12 May 2014 (UTC)