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Another claim on Russian 1TV They show what they claim to be a letter from some George Bilt, who tells he is MIT graduate and aviation expert with 20 years experience. He claims machine gun into pilot cabin, followed to missile into right wing and engine, and attach some aerial photo showing a military plane, likely Mig 29, or Su 27 launching a missile not far from a civilian plane.

May be a fake, wrong (as far as we can tell) side of hit reported (right not left); unclear how he is the only person in the world having a real photo. The letter appears to speculate on a scenario, not report on the fact (such as the photo). So the photo attached is -what? Illustration of concept? Real photo? Hard to tell for sure, but illustration rather than actual photo is a suspect. --Resup (talk) 18:43, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Looks fake: Boeing 777 (63.7 m) Mig 29 (17 m) , ratio 3.7; while on photo, length ratio is 4 (or a bit more); even if they are 10 km apart vertically, there is not much difference in height from satellite height, ratio should be close to their length ratios. One needs to take a photo from below, perhaps, some 140 km to get military plane so much smaller because it is presumably lower. But satellites fly at above 300 km, so it can't be. Su 27 is longer, so it works even worth in that case. (Other thoughts?) --Resup (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Another argument why it is fake: Donetsk Airport runway can be seen, and is about the same size, even a bit smaller, than Boeing on the photo. But the runaway is 4000 m, while plane is 63.7 m; they are about the same distance from satellite at 300 km or more. One needs to be at some 150 meters from the plane for them to look the same size, impossible. As for optics, observation from satellite is effectively 'at infinity', and will work similar to a telescope, increasing all angles by the same factor; can't be from satellite--angles ratios too much off to be rescued by optics (Somebody noted Donetsk airport seen at Cassad blog, thanks! ). So much for MIT & Russian engineers union, ha-ha-ha! --Resup (talk) 21:06, 14 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Good work on the specific. I would have just called this one obvious fake, with no time wasted on explaining why, just out of disdain for such obvious fakery. Can't eat up my time that easy! Georrge Bilt produced this image? What a clown. Russian TV aired it? So sad. Something's wrong over there. --Caustic Logic (talk) 09:51, 15 November 2014 (UTC)


 * Well, if you translate the 1TV.RU article with google, you get "George Bilt" (that's what everybody is running with). If you translate it with Yandex, you get "George Bilton". I tried it because the English language TASS article has him as - wait for it - "a George Beatle"! Can't imagine what the purpose would be, but this almost seems like made-to-be-debunked. --CE (talk) 13:00, 15 November 2014 (UTC)

Now BuzzFeed claims to have interviewed "George Bilt", who just found the photo on the internet and is now very sorry. And those Russians are either desperate or incompetent. He says. Does this come as a mirror event of the Syrian "hero boy" meme which just turned out to be a fake by Norwegian filmmakers and had the "Western" pre$$titutes run with it (as usual)? ;o) --CE (talk) 19:05, 15 November 2014 (UTC)