Talk:Maidan snipers/Suspects

One O'Clock Sniper
There's the apparently caught-red-handed by 1:15 PM sniper. "EuroMaidan twitter reports that members of Maidan Self-Defense captured one one of the snipers. He is currently in Maidan headquarters." Maidan HQ location unclear. No word about that prisoner I'm aware of since then. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:55, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I found a few sources on this, in Ukrainian. Mainly they add that little was known. They don't go forward far in time - Feb. 20.
 * The Maidan Translators cited "Magnolia TV" on Facebook (same, in Ukrainian, but shorter...). There's a Magnolia TV website with an article to the same effect, but it's not loading for me.
 * Commentary.ua Протестувальники на Майдані підпалили водомет і захопили снайпера (ВІДЕО) (Protesters set fire water cannon at the Square and took a sniper (Video)) 02.20.2014 9:25. But nothing on the page actually addresses the sniper part. Other sub-stories are mentioned in the text, but not that. There are two embedded Youtube videos - one a live feed of Ukrainian TV, the other no longer available - "this video is private." So that helps little.
 * Espresso.tv На Майдані спіймали снайпера? (On the Square caught the sniper?) Google translated:
 * "Soldiers Square self (Maidan Self-defense) caught one of the snipers. This was reported in the "Twitter" Yevromaydanu. "Caught sniper. He's headquarters," - said in a statement. Currently, the event details are not reported. However komentant Square (?) Stephen Kubiv could not neither confirm nor deny this information. "I'm 20 minutes ago was still at headquarters, but I have no such information. Never been able to neither confirm nor deny," - he said Espreso.TV.

--Caustic Logic (talk) 11:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)
 * fakty.ictv.ua - contains an image of a man on a roof that's possibly relevant, more likely recycled rubbish. "On the Square caught Sniper Soldiers Square self caught one of the snipers Reported in "Twitter" Yevromaydanu. "Caught sniper. He's headquarters." At present, the details of the events are not reported."

On March 1, there was twist reported, and that sniper mentioned again, with another, in passing.
 * http://portal.lviv.ua/news/2014/03/01/112412.html - Cited: "Anatoly Bear" = Анатолій Ведмідь. "According to our information, they are paid for each victim. A day of " hired sniper "allegedly worth $ 40 thousand ," - he added. He said attempts to catch the snipers , but whether they were successful, he would not comment . Centurion Volyn hundreds (?) explained that maydanivtsi caught two snipers. However, their fate , he said nothing."
 * On their identities too he apparently said nothing.


 * http://kyiv.comments.ua/news/2014/03/03/080043.html
 * He said that attempts were made to catch the snipers, but whether they were successful, he would not comment . Centurion Volyn hundreds explained that maydanivtsi caught two snipers. However, their fate , he said nothing. There were snipers allegedly from self-defense, security officials reported . At least two, and probably at the time they served in the Soviet army in Afghanistan. However, most samooboronivtsi (self-defense members) deny this information .
 * !! --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Also some sources saying two sniper might mean this One O'Clock Sniper plus the dusk sniper (or stand-in). Possibly was wrong to say they never caught him. Two English tweets to add, both should have been found sooner, and will be noted in the right spots: ‏:@Yaro_RT
 * Alexey Yaroshevsky, Feb. 20, 9:20 PM local?
 * Protesters frisking the Hotel Ukraina room looking for a sniper http://instagram.com/p/kpdJ4ICbjL/
 * They searched his room for a sniper? Like, under the bed and stuff? The photo isn't coming up. Hopefully he still has a copy and I could ask him on Twitter.  --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR Feb 21
 * Sniper was caught on the 10th floor of the Hotel Ukraina on #Euromaidan Personality to be identified.
 * From my count, the dusk sniper should have been on the 11th floor. Coming the morning after, this could refer to either of the two - the high 10/11-ish floor could be a coincidence and they refer to the earlier catch, but the later one is a bit more clearly suggested. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:03, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Other Snipers Found in the Park
Another in the vein of Vasilko, same day. Sniper caught in Kiev 22.02.2014 Euromaidan 12:46 A strong-faced tough guy in a park, Marinskyi, I guess, surrounded by a group of 1-2 dozen thugs and people, one at least with a bat, go through everything he apparently had on him. guy had in his poclets - cash, credit cards shown up close, an ID card saying Sergey Panjkov. He tus at his long-sleeved shirt at one point, as if prparing to bare his shoulder for the tattoo. A Feb. 24 side-source mentions "Detained activists Self person Sergey Pankov (presumably - sniper), together with Mikhail Sapova working on gang "titushkis", which is led by Alexey Chebotarev, it became known from informed sources." Titushkis, I hear, are alleged pro-government thugs, bussed in to Mariinskyi park - imported thugs with bats, just like the ones the coalition turned loose. Another ambiguous and interchangeable lynch mob smear besides Berkut and sniper. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Russian-trained killers

 * Exclusive: Photographs Expose Russian-Trained Killers in Kiev – Daily Beast, 03.30.2014
 * ''According to Dr. Olga Bogomolets, a Maidan leader and a candidate in Ukraine’s slated May presidential elections, the photographs shown to her by The Daily Beast provide unique insight into what took place on February 20. She argues they cast doubt on an official investigation currently underway into the events of that day, which was ordered by the country’s interim government and is being conducted jointly by the new head of the SBU, Valentyn Nalyvaichenko, along with the prosecutor general’s office. The SBU failed to respond to phone and email requests for a meeting with Nalyvaichenko to discuss the substantial photographic material.
 * ''We have demanded an independent and transparent investigation into who was involved in the crimes that took place and we are very worried that the people who are investigating are members of the bodies responsible for the shootings,” says Bogomolets. Bogomolets, a physician who was nicknamed by Maidan protesters the “White Angel” because of her ministrations to the wounded in Independence Square, was on her way to visit the grave of her mother that morning to mark the first anniversary of her death. When phone calls alerted her to the start of the carnage she sped to the Maidan instead.


 * Photos prove Maidan snipers who shot at protesters and police were Ukrainians - media reports – VoR, 31 March 2014

Unknown American

 * Американский снайпер на Украине онлайн 09.03.2014\American sniper in UA online – Максим Хавиков, Mar 9, 2014 (RuTube)
 * "An American man, apparently a hired sniper, angry & drunk, was recorded live on a Russian online chat platform. He is brandishing on the camera his weapons, a sniper professional, military-grade rifle with a telescope plus another old military rifle. At about 3:00 he starts talking, making it clear that he is, indeed, American. He also shows his good knowledge of both Russian & Ukrainian. He continues cursing Putin, being especially fond of the F-You sign. He also keeps repeating the slogan of the Right Sector: 'Slava Ukrainie.' He is also showing various items as if to prove that he is still, indeed, somewhere in Ukraine." (source) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:15, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

This comment on VK from March 11, 2014 has information about the the identity of "Pashka921". -- Petri Krohn (talk) 02:13, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Mark Paslavsky
The video of the has long gone offline but does the guy have any resemblance to the US / Ukraine Nazi Mark "Franko" Paslawsky just killed in Ilovaisk? What really needs investigating is if Paslawsky (bruce springnote @BSpringnote on Twitter) was on Maidan on February 20th. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 15:40, 22 August 2014 (UTC) ... more

Yes, he was, right where and when the snipers shot from: see File:Instytutska_via_bruce_springnote.jpg -- Petri Krohn (talk) 09:16, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

P.S. – More on Paslawsky here: -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:49, 30 August 2014 (UTC)
 * The true story of Mark Paslawsky, the 'only' American fighter with Kiev forces – Bryan MacDonald, RT, August 29, 2014
 * American Killed in Ukraine was a Nazi and Nephew of Notorious WW2 War Criminal – Valentina Kiselev, Russia Insider, September 4, 2014

Петр Барладин

 * А. Шарий: Винтовка, которую вывез Пашинский (документы и факты) (A. Shary: Rifle, which brought Pashinsky (documents and facts) – [20.03.2014]
 * Suspect: Петр Барладин: www.odnoklassniki...ru/profile/130429955908

John G.O. Christensen
A montage published by Politikus.ru purports to show that Danish "OSCE inspector" John G.O. Christensen captured in Slavyansk and later released was one of the Maidan snipers in Hotel Ukraine seen on the Ruptly video.

I do not know where Christensen was on February 20th, but from what I read elsewhere, many of the "OSCE" team members had been in Ukraine for some time, possibly even before February 20, 2014. (In fact, the image claims that he arrived in Ukraine on November 16, 2014.) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:29, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

A leaked document shows Christensen did not arrive in Odessa in March along with the 60 other observers invited by Ukraine. We need to check if any other on the list were imprisoned in Slavyansk. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 12:55, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Mercenaries commanded by Andriy Parubiy
In an interview with vesti.ru (German translation), the former head of SBU Oleksandr Yakymenko, who managed to flee because "I'm a secret service guy", tells a quite detailed story. According to him there were 20 mercenaries, partly former Ukrainian Secret Service, partly foreign, in the Philharmony building which he says was controlled by Parubiy's guys. It's apparently here a bit off of Maidan to the north-west, although wikipedia says there are two buildings. He says those guys started to target the special service guys who fled in panic. Our "Berkut" in front of Oktober Palace, I would deduce. Maybe those early news about people shooting from "the conservatory" really meant the philharmony? Or the writer of the article got that wrong here? Anyway, Yakymenko says that there were actually two groups of 10 people, and one changed position into the Hotel Ukraine while his guys lost track of the other group. He also says that "Right Sector" and "Svoboda" activists both asked him to take those snipers out, therefore being not in on the plot. On the other hand, he accuses a couple of people being in on it, "it" also being allowing the SBU to be infiltrated by the CIA. This includes two SBU guys Gwodz and Malamusch and his successor leading SBU now, Nalyvaichenko. Also the oligarch Poroshenko and the former Minster of Defense Anatoliy Hrytsenko. Maybe to be taken with a grain of salt given who he is, but interesting enough to "paraphrase" it here - it will certainly make the rounds in Russia. --CE (talk) 17:14, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * English translation of the interview over at RT, original video on youtube. --CE (talk) 17:39, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * See above - Petri already added the story. I had some doubts, but it is detailed, and I missed some of the details in a quick read. Mainly I just can't see Right Sector asking the government, who they were overthrowing, to get rid of snipers who were helping. Even if they weren't in on it, couldn't they deduce this was part of their thing? Or a government thing the government wouldn't stop? Or were they inviting this Alpha Team into a trap? Why didn't Parubiy play along then? It's weird. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:29, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Actually if you look harder I beat Petri 50 minutes to it. ;o) --CE (talk) 00:01, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Whatever, sorry. Continuing the doubt, let me speculate this is Yakymenko's way of buttering up everyone but a main target. Maybe Parubiy really is a maniac bent on starting WWIII/WWIIV now (?). He'd need taking out. You might suggest that "hey, I know everyone else wasn't in on it/regretted being in on it, had asked/would ask for my held flushing out Parubiy and his snipers," etc. The rest of the story could still be level. And even that could well be as he says, I don't know. As for the philharmonic, if we have the right locale, it could keep the roof of the October Palace, and maybe its flanks, free of Berkut. But it couldn't do much else, I think. He says half of them went to the hotel? Okay then, I need to catch up or something...--Caustic Logic (talk) 11:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I just tweeted to Hillary and Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt that I believe the hotel rooms used by the Maidan snipers were paid by their credit cards. It now gets even weirder: -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Interesting tweet to say the least. Just to be clear, that's total speculation, right? It's not clear here if the "commandant" is Parubiy, but sounds like it. It says little. --Caustic Logic (talk)
 * Yes, total speculation, vile provocation, but based on an educated guess. As we saw in the Ghouta CW attack, it does not matter if the ugly details come out later, as long as the attack achieves its objectives. NATO has total control over the media anyway. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:28, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Russia’s UN envoy: Protesters in Kiev were shot at from Maidan’s commandant’s office –  March 14, 2014
 * Protesters and law enforcers during Kiev’s recent unrest were shot at from the office of so-called “Maidan’s commandant”, Russia’s UN envoy Vitaly Churkin told the UN Security Council.
 * According to the latest information available the shots were fired from the office of so-called “Maidan commandant”, the man who now leads the UN Security Council, Churkin said.

Who now leads what? I guess it means the "security" job he now holds in Ukraine? Anyway, I wonder if there's any info around on where his office was in the hotel? I heard of rooftop firing, but the massacre of activists portion was probably done from a window (or more than one, maybe), as I noted the one direction that's best suggested is in the west half of the hotel, and I think not too high up. Maybe about the exact direction that ironic kid looked just as he was shot. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:41, 14 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Adam Larson, Oriental Review, May 29: Who was Maidan snipers’ mastermind?
 * Parubiy blames Russian "Spetsnaz" snipers, implicates himself. --Caustic Logic (talk) 09:10, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Translated to Italian already! Pretty heavily tweeted too. --Caustic Logic (talk) 22:36, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Great, congratulations. I think it's well written and very concise. Interesting outlet as well. Hope it will lead to some questions being asked - to real people. :o) --CE (talk) 22:50, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Investigation panel led by Andriy Parubiy
German Handelsblatt reports on March 13 (spotted and translated by Woody Box):
 * Last week the new pro-west Ukranian government announced an investigation of the shootings by a parliamentary commission. The panel would be staffed with representatives of all fractions, a speaker said. International experts, Physicians, ballisticians and eyewitnesses would be interviewed. The head of the National Security Council, Andrej Parubiy, has been picked as the leader of the panel.

This needs corroboration but Handelsblatt is a serious (economics) paper and the author a serious journalist. I hope you can make this stuff up, right? --CE (talk) 19:54, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Wow, that sounds not made up, because it makes so much sense. Consider Yakymenko's accusation supported by this. Could use more detail eventually but for now a good last minute add for my video. Will be back. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:21, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Andriy Parubiy?

 * NEWS FLASH: – AJSB @A_J_S_B on Twitter, 30 June 2014
 * ''UNCONFIRMED plan in March to "prove" Russia weapons supply with FORGED EVIDENCE (3rd pic to compare sig).
 * Security and Defense Council document signed by Parubiy

Aid to Arsen Avakov?

 * Украина смотрите правду о снайпере, стрелявшего по "небесной сотне" на Майдане (Ukraine see the truth about the sniper to shoot at the "heavenly hundred" on Maidan) - Rus Berlin, Jan 27, 2015
 * ''The mystery with a sniper rifle Sergei Pashinsky goes back to Arsen Avakov.
 * ''Sergei Pashinsky probably have something to hide?
 * ''Why have police and the Security Service, a year later, did not find the people who were in the car and took out a rifle? And in fact - these are the same people who brought her there and in the government district, across from the square.
 * ''It all started with a call colleague Yuri Sobolty. He identified a man with a yellow hooded special forces "Bars" MIA of Ukraine 2009-2010 year. Yuri remembered him as a man who loves sniper weapon when I saw it on the frame was very surprised. It took a few days to get through social networks and some sources to find out the whole picture of what is happening and to identify all persons involved in this rifle February 18, 2014 on the street. The institute's. Today it is very fashionable to inform about all the activities in the Ministry of Internal Affairs "Facebook". One of those who are actively engaged in this - a certain Yuri Sobolta. If you look carefully, it is possible to easily recognize the mysterious driver in a dark jacket with yellow unfolded hood that the company carried away by unknown persons with a sniper rifle in the "Honda".

Right Sector

 * Lavrov: Russia has info about Ukraine’s Right Sector involved in Kiev sniper shooting – ITAR-TASS, March 30, 2014
 * Ляшко привозил патроны Правому Сектору (Ljashko brought ammo right quadrant, English subtitles) – Apr 2, 2014

Snipers trained in Poland

 * Euromaidan Was Special Operation by US, Poland – Polish MEP - Andrey Stenin, Sputnik, 18.04.2015

South Ossetians
Vladimir Suchan translates on Facebook:
 * ''Interesting news about the Maidan snipers: What is the point of the Maidan snipers shooting the people if no one can take the pictures of the victims right at the moment of being shot? That's exactly how it was evidently planned (this reminds me of some the sniper shooting from Sarajevo--ordered for the camera at the right place and at the right moment). As it turns out, the one who was repeatedly filming the protesters of being shot in front of him is Atzamaz Kochiev (Ацамаз Кочиев), a former Moscow paparazzi, who now works for Life News. Moreover, it is now being reported that Kochiev and the junta's Minister of the Interior, Arsen Asakov, are close relatives--Asakov is Kochiev's uncle via his mother Tatiana Gabaraieva wjo, like Kochiev, is from South Ossetia.
 * А вот это – реальная сенсация (And here it is - a real sensation) – Mar. 31st, 2014
 * The family is from the Znaur district. Anyone from the territory of South Ossetia can as well be pro-Saakashvili, anti-Russia as pro-Russia. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 15:02, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Saakashvili

 * Грузия возбудила уголовное дело против снайперов с Майдана. Сенсация!!! 9.04.2014 (Georgia opened a criminal case against snipers with Maidana. Sensation! 04/09/2014) – Life News, April 9, 2014
 * ''Breaking news: From Georgia's military circles comes an announcement that four of the snipers that were active at Maidan are from Georgia, that their identities are now known, and that they are part of Sakashvilli's, Georgia's former president's special forces that were trained in part precisely for such missions. Investigation is on going, and official charges are being prepared.


 * In Kiev, shot by snipers Saakashvili? For a starter text source, translated with original link.
 * Georgian general, former commander of the battalion "Avaz" ("Panther") Tsitelashvili Tristan said that he has evidence that the four acted on evromaydane Georgian sniper of the power structures that controlled the ex-Georgian President Mikhail Saakashvili. PACE adopted a resolution which requires a "impartial investigation" of the use of snipers in the Maidan.


 * Penny for Your Thoughts is on it. Rather, a commenter points to ANNA News on it.


 * Грузия возбудила уголовное дело против снайперов с Майдана. (Georgia opened a criminal case against snipers with Maidana. Sensation!) – Life News, 04/09/2014

Kamens: "Mystery Solved"

 * Henry Kamens, NEO, May 17: Kiev Snipers: Mystery Solved
 * Tsitelashvili claimed that at least four of the snipers shooting at people in Maidan Square were under the command of former Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili, who is doing his best to destabilise his own country, and others if necessary, to find a way back into power. ... This too has been confirmed by one of the snipers involved. He is currently in hiding, living without papers. He tells me that most of his colleagues have been terminated. Given what they might know, and what happens to those who know, I am inclined to believe him.

Facinating report, lots of details on the Georgia-terrorism connection and some bizarre episode from 2012 with Georgian-trained snipers offed (by the CIA? In northern Syria?) I don't understand. Supposedly connected to the Kiev snipers, but that link sounds speculative. Anyway, worth a look at least. --Caustic Logic (talk) 03:28, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

False claims
These claims can be consider prima face to be false. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:29, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

Rostislav Vasilko
HRI Mark pieces this together:
 * @Kilicbil Hi - regarding this pic - who added the info regarding suspected sniper? http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/detail/news-photo/man-suspected-of-being-a-sniper-and-member-of-the-pro-news-photo/474130789
 * @Kilicbil Hi Bulent - are you & AFP aware that this man is Rostislav Vasilko - a Communist Party official? https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=672554276134265

-- Petri Krohn (talk) 13:43, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

From around: "A man suspected of being a sniper and member of the pro-government forces is forced by anti-government protestors to pay his respects to a mourning place of a victim killed in the recent clashes in Kiev on February 22..." That was pretty clear though. A sniper? Who was THE sniper? Is this the guy they caught at 1:15, just kept around and dragged out for photos? That does look like him. Horrific details here. --Caustic Logic (talk) 15:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

I wasn't able to do much with a Google search, but e-mailed Mark. He says Vasilko's reportedly been smuggle to Russia and is safe. Adds this valuable source - way down the page, many photos as the guy was paraded around town by a lynch mob, translated descriptions accompany. The photographer, apparently putting this together himself (?) was deeply disturbed by it all. "Then I heard one of them shouted, standing around explaining: - "Berkut" caught! "Berkut"! This "eagle", bitch! - "Golden Eagle"?? - Instantly reacted people - Kill him! Kill this thing!" First photo. He also points to the only mainstream story dealing with it so far, in Spain. Many ran the AFP photo. Haha, serves' em right, most are supposed to think. But more stories likely will come. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:26, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Mr. Vasilko is allegedly identified as Berkut by a shoulder tattoo those are supposed to have. Looks kind of like a spider web to me. Is that the complete BS it sounds like? If not, how/why did he get the tattoo? Etc. "Berkut" or "sniper" is the Ukrainian equivalent of "Shabiha" in Syria or "African Mercenary" in Libya. More on the unnamed abuse victim: http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/ukraine-protesters-detain-beat-suspected-sniper-n36196 - pulled. Cited [here]:
 * An alleged sniper and member of the pro-government forces was detained and beaten by anti-government protesters after Kiev fell into opposition hands Saturday. Opposition demonstrators had earlier surrounded the president's offices in the city's government district.

unrelated riot video (odd) also has this as the title/description.


 * Daily Mail: Moment suspected Ukrainian SNIPER was dragged by the hair and beaten by anti-government protesters as president reportedly flees capital They love "moments." --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

Debaltsevo snipers?
The solder from Poltava is on this video. I do not think he is the same man. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:55, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Maidan sniper found - February 8, 2015
 * ''It serves in Aidar battalion. In the last photo he is standing in an embrace with the appointed Governor of Lugansk region Moskal (pro-Ukrainian).
 * Matches militant to man in Hotel Ukraine video
 * The militia captured the sniper from Maidan - February 19, 2015
 * Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/groups/IOUCO/permalink/715125498600507/
 * VK: https://vk.com/wall-30457095_142809
 * http://oboguev.livejournal.com/4113881.html
 * Also here. Unsure, -prisoner seem to have heavier, broader chin, broader cheekbones. (Also, on sniper video, a gunman fires  in starting seconds, but the sound appears to be  of an air-gun)  --Resup (talk) 06:56, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Vladislav Surkow
Poroshenko yesterday on the massacre anniversary, on Maidan:


 * Recently, the Security Service informed me that interrogated "Alpha" warriors gave testimony that Assistant to the President of Russia Vladislav Surkov had commanded the groups of foreign snipers on Maidan.

He's increasingly losing it lately. --CE (talk) 10:07, 21 February 2015 (UTC)


 * He's not making much sense. They didn't fight Yanukovych the puppet, but he's the main culprit they want. Russia plotted to tear him down, but he cooperated over the phone. The "heavenly hundred" willingly sacrificed themselves (oh, did they? Who picked the self-sacrificers to go in first?) so others could be "living and breathing and have a unique chance to change the country for the best." "They died for Ukraine to become truly independent, powerful and successful European state." Thanks, Surkov? No, he's still mad about this Russian plan ... that worked out that way, brought his insane ass to power. And of course Russia's plans brough Ukraine together: "We have been united into a single Ukrainian political nation" since a year ago, didn't you know? It's a European nation! --Caustic Logic (talk) 01:39, 22 February 2015 (UTC)