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Original Version
This is my effort to map out the trajectory for two shootings that offer enough detail to try such a thing. Previously, I noted both are shot from the direction they weren't shielded from, and called it the hotel. On closer examination, I think that was only half-right. The two cases:
 * The ironic kid: at 12:25 in the 41-minute video, this victim is shot, just moments after being given a shield and getting it up to prove this shot came the other way (stand-alone analysis). He also acts as if he sees something (a sniper?) in about that direction. His shield gets two new dents from his side, and there are two different shot sounds, the second one louder. Did he get hit by two snipers and warrant two lines? I only did one for now. It points most clearly, I think, the the nearest window on the extruded wing of the west side. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * The man in green, downed at 16:52 in the 41-minute video (stand-alone analysis), after helping evacuate several wounded. I thought he was hit twice, in the leg and chest. I need to check the audio again, but only the torso shot is clear - through the back, out the chest, it seems. With the enhanced color, I think we can make out the entrance and exit wounds, both near but off center of his chest, to the left. Through the heart. He's running towards the hotel, but twisted at an angle. No way does it point to the hotel. This sniper would be on the roof, or in a window of, the metro station. Right? From the little inset study, I adjusted it a bit to account for the tree. He hit last chance before it blocked his view. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

So, is it time to add a third visually evident line of fire? It might be worth a closer look at that station, its roof, any open windows. I imagine anything cool would be caught by now, but maybe not. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)


 * Detail graphic for this case, explained here. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

5 April Revision
Various graphic improvements, more accurate building footprint placements, sidewalk detail added, made proportionally from video for better victim placement. Outer edge: two small-tree planters and a sign near the low wall. Inner edge: trunks of two larger trees. The basic idea here is to map out the various firing directions (relevant to the sniper massacre here) that I/we can visually verify. All firing lines are at this time approximate. I added time-stamps in the 41-minute video for where each bullet on a line like this hits its victims - one line was flipped, a new one just like it was added, As explained below, I decided those are holes, not dents, in the ironic kid's shield, and the line (12:25 here) is opposite from what I first had. He may have been hit from the hotel too, but the line we can verify here points more to the Ministers' Club (approximately), since two rounds passed through that part of his useless shield and then somehow through him (plus maybe skimming the raised knee of the injured man resting by the other tree?). However, the victim seen at 19:07, vaguely, tips over on just about that line from the hotel. That's not the clearest indicator, but the force of a nearby impact is one of the main forces deciding which way you'll tip over once hit. And the place seems worth holding, right? Too many possible hits ... but it's actually not visually verified, to me at the moment. Maybe the tree shooting proves it? It did seem to do something along those lines. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Compared to Other Findings
The part 2 of that robot-voice video Vladimir Suchan plugged - [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLxSlq_hJu8 Майдан, который не покажут в новостях. Часть 2] does an even better job on the "shot in the back" analysis, and suggests several sniper positions. Some maybe are just alleged ones, but some he argues are from specific spots besides the hotel. One is the metro station.

At 7:08 he does an awesome job with the ironic kid, showing the patch of light, and maybe a bullet hitting the tree I missed ... and seems to read it all backwards from me. He might, with better video, show that those are holes, not dents. He has that sniper at or near the opp. cited ministers' club. But if so, what was the kid coincidentally seeing in the opposite direction right before? And what does the spray and smoke prevailing on that side At 9:07, he has the man in green downed - from the hotel. No supporting analysis, my view may trump his. The metro shooter, he has firing on the left flank a bit earlier, just before 12:00 in the 41-minute video. I don't know why he says that, but could be. --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Goddamnit, have I been running too far ahead to say so many people were shot from the hotel? Is this zero for three here? The guys behind the wall could probably be hit from the metro roof just fine ... --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:17, 31 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, I was not mapping it out yet, guessing too much, and letting my hunches fill in the gaps. It's getting better now. --Caustic Logic (talk) 10:57, 5 April 2014 (UTC)