Talk:Assault on Ras Al-Ayn

Rebel-Held Again?
It appears we've missed some news.
 * LA Times, Dec. 3: Turkey scrambles fighter jets as Syria bombs city of Ras Ayn
 * Turkey scrambled fighter jets after Syrian warplanes bombed the rebel-held border city of Ras Ayn in northeastern Syria on Monday, killing at least eight people and injuring 16, according to opposition accounts and at least one person reached in the town.

Some other awesome deails there. We finally learn what was wrong with those silly kurds. Just a lil' nervous about the conquest. "Many Kurds are wary of the Arab-led rebellion against Syrian President Bashar Assad, though they also have concerns about Assad and his autocratic ways." But they had worked things out into a joint effort at controlling a government-free city, it's said, starting in late November.
 * For the last week or so, residents said, a truce had held in Ras Ayn. Kurdish militiamen and Arab rebels patrolled different areas of the city. Some refugees had returned from Turkey. On Monday, however, the  uneasy calm was shattered anew.

For no good reason, of course. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:34, 11 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Ah, good catch, thanks. I'll see if I can find some intel from the Kurds about the reason for the new bombing and update the article tonight. The "joint effort at controlling" must be the new committee the Kurds demanded for the truce in addition to the most radical groups leaving town, as already in the article. --CE (talk) 11:16, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

more vid material
Syria Ras al Ain, FSA Free Syrian Army Terrorist War Crimes


 * Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUQt-Jy_jj8 (longer, continued http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CswH_y-14W8)
 * Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGf6E5t-sy4
 * Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VcPdum99YYo (Mass grave, Assad portrait gets buried with them)

Location Alley part 1 and 2 here as seen by position of water tower, minaret and antenna at the end of part 2 on the roof.


 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atF_1VdGx-E (Dead FSA Terrorists' Organs Stolen in Turkey for Organ Trafficking?)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9metamETERU ("rebels" hiding between wheat silos (same farouk brigade is seen at?), bombardment)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P91JRwGUToE (more from the mass grave, execution implied, where sicko Ivan Watson is seen later, turkish/kurdish tv report english subs)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oEAk4Ov1i4 (ITN, shows gov bombardment, main target seems to be near alley linked above)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxVFgSvpU8M (AP, shows bombardment from ground, refugees crossing baghdad railway)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMfZORWw3YA (captured "shabiha" nov 10)

--CE (talk) 05:36, 21 November 2012 (UTC)--CE (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

I understand these videos are also from Ras Al-Ayn. "Yellow carpenter" is some castle in Ras Al-Ayn. Original uploads in HD quality: -- Petri Krohn (talk) 07:30, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Abu Azzam Brigades commander Farouk in tenderness with Lt. Col. Abu Al-Zeer of the command of the Revolutionary Military Council in Hasaka in yellow and carpenter (al-farok.com)
 * Spoils Faruq Brigades after the victory at the Battle of yellow and carpenter in Ras al-Ain
 * Very conflagration "of grain and wheat tenderness
 * Faruq Brigades statement hit the barriers and the spoils
 * Among the spoils missile launcher
 * Killed شبيح officer while editing Ahajer
 * Participants receive the editing process barrier
 * Booty from the editing process and yellow carpenter barrier thin
 * Thanks, Petri. The first two are parts of the one which is already in the article, will look at the others later. I think i've seen those guys before, isn't the "tour leader" with the Wahhabi beard one of the Libyans from the al-Harati gang? The "Yellow Carpenter" is very likely an ancient site Tell el Fakhariya and in the second video they are parking here at its foot. --CE (talk) 11:31, 21 November 2012 (UTC)


 * I've looked at a few of these, but a severed head video caught my attention more. Already cut,the worst is done, but it's still horrible. Syria, FSA Free Syrian Army Terrorist War Crimes +21 Posted by the same suriyeninsesi Nov. 14, so possibly related, but not clear. It was at zero views when I found it, saved it just in case, but it's still there today, 77 views. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:51, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Latest: --CE (talk) 13:35, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Sheikh Almqrye Abdel Tawab in Ras al-Ain, Nov 21. They have their own Bin Laden lookalike flewn in ... pity the quality is so bad that one can't see which flag is flying in the background ... I suspect it's the Turkish.
 * Sheikh Abdul Tawab Ali Rodan at the Syrian opposition conference on 03/27/2012 -- Petri Krohn (talk) 11:18, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Army tanks free Sri Kanyeh (Ras Al Ain) 2012.11.22 (a glimpse of one of the mentioned FSA tanks)


 * Half an hour reportage about the events, a lot of video material, Kurdish language, Dec 1 --CE (talk) 15:35, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Is this related? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 06:13, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Stronger army parade free Faruq Brigades north

Text Sources
For what it's worth, we should collect some text sources for possible inclusion. I'll start with one of the less mediocre ones I found easily. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:34, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Al Monitor, Turkey Fears Escalation Of Fighting in Northern Syria (Easy ways to calm those fears bypassed) Translated from Milliyet (Turkey)
 * The situation along the border is posing serious problems for Ankara. Ismail Arslan, the mayor of Ceylanpinar whom I spoke to yesterday, criticized Turkey’s extension of medical assistance to wounded opposition militants but not to the PYD's.
 * ''Arslan said, “If Turkey really wants to remain neutral in these clashes, it has to stay neutral also for the wounded. Arabs and Kurds live together here. In every house, we have relatives who came from Syria. We share our lives. It is a right decision for Turkey to stay out of Arab-Kurd clashes.”
 * The fight between the PYD, known as a Syrian extension of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), and the Syrian opposition is over controlling Ras al-Ain, which has a mixed Arab and Kurdish population and is known as the gate to Syria’s Kurdish region. The FSA did not allow PYD units that came back to parade through the town, and asked the PYD to fly Syrian-opposition flags, not the PYD’s.''
 * The opposition that captured the town after sustained clashes with regime forces now sees Ras al-Ain as its sovereign territory. The PYD makes the same claim for the town where more than half of the population is Kurdish. When the clashes escalated yesterday, Ankara reacted cautiously to the opposition’s calls for assistance.
 * Turkey is justified in trying to stay out of the Arab-Kurdish fighting in Syria. Turkey is already fighting with the PKK in its own territory and in northern Iraq, so it doesn’t want to open a third front with the PKK. Although the PYD is an armed body of Syrian Kurds, the PYD’s “popular defense forces” are mostly PKK or PKK-trained militiamen. But the PYD has been claiming that its structure is different from the PKK’s and has been trying not to confront Turkey.


 * Rebels see gains, claim huge arms capture Daily Star, Lebanon, Nov. 21


 * Syria rebels clash with armed Kurds Al Jazeera, Nov. 19

Yeah our fan HB over at the forum just delivered a guy David Enders writing for McClatchy, apparently three articles, that last one a week ago. Some interesting claims, source unclear. References to more mainstream articles (or even the jokes of AlJ and AlA) are good to flesh it out. Feel free to add directly to the article as always, of course. I give high credence to the German-Kurdish source though, they have little benefit in lying, sitting between all chairs. It's run by a whole bunch of Kurds, mostly students at German Universities. I think next the article needs a more detailed description of the atrocities committed Nov 8-11 as seen in the videos above, but i'm SO SICK AND TIRED of watching creeps shouting Allahu Akbar atm. --CE (talk) 00:20, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Cynical Thoughts
Excellent article already, CE! What a mess. My thought is Turkey's for any kind of escalation now. Even illegal, border-crossing, uprovoked, unjustified, civilian-attacking, we-dare-you-to-fight-back mentality. Then there'll be lots of dead, calls for order, tricky moves to blame "Assad" somehow, some new excuse to go defend their guys and start imposing "stability"on the areas the Turks and the Jihadists messed up. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:37, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, yeah it's sick. From the other news item on diekurden.de it seems like they are planning to attack larger cities in the region with the same tactics. --CE (talk) 04:59, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they're now saying they took over half a nearby military base and swiped some pretty heavy weapons. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:36, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
 * That says near Aleppo, not Ras Al-Ayn. --CE (talk) 00:28, 23 November 2012 (UTC)
 * So it does. But in my defense, they were smooshed together in the first paragraph. --Caustic Logic (talk) 05:29, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

The rebels asked for a two-day truce? Someone needs to get on the phone and alert these YPG guys that in two days the rebels will have their reinforcements in order for another and bigger crossing. Better call up a couple thousand fighters, not a couple hundred, from all around and ambush the scum real good. --Caustic Logic (talk) 00:20, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Oops! Somehow I deleted all the video stuff and whatever else, 7,588 characters. I didn't even see it here somehow but now I remember it was, so ... can be easily restored, right? No time to try it myself, have to run to work now. Jeez, how did I manage that? --Caustic Logic (talk) 00:27, 24 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Hahaha, fixed. No need to ambush the page just because some Kurds prove the old saying "never mess with Kurds"!!! :oD --CE (talk) 00:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Adana Agreement
Looked a tad into the 1998 agreement for more details/confirmation that Turkey was in charge of the border there. There was an agreement reached in I think Oct. 1998, signed in '99, called the Adana agreement, mostly on Syrian support and harboring of the PKK. The WP on Syria-Turkey relations mentions it, but the link is red (no page). The sought detail was too obscure to surface easily, but it would seem, if so, the Turks used that term of the agreement to make the border fail and let Turkish flag-planting terrorists slip across and provoke the Kurds. Besides control of gates and mine fields, one interesting article from April mentions other ways in which "Adana agreement paves legal path for Turkish intervention in Syria."
 * Article 1 of the Adana agreement states that “Syria, on the basis of the principle of reciprocity, will not permit any activity that emanates from its territory aimed at jeopardizing the security and stability of Turkey.” The bloody crackdown on the opposition that has entered its second year has destabilized the country, with over 1 million Syrians internally displaced and nearly 25,000 Syrian refugees having fled to Turkey. The United Nations reports say that more than 9,000 civilians have been killed in the Syrian government's yearlong assault on protesters opposed to Assad.

And the refugees created by Turkish imports of Jihadists are, I guess, some threat now to Turkey's stability. But almost eight months, on, they've had to pull more brazen tricks and most recently this. So apparently the definition of security threat was deemed not met in April, as this stupid article suggested. --Caustic Logic (talk) 06:53, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting. The early articles on diekurden.de also mention rumours that Turkey had not only removed the mines at the border strip just in time, but also set up refugee camps before the original assault happened. Only rumours, so I didn't include it in the article ... but given their antics I wouldn't be surprised. --CE (talk) 15:42, 24 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and thanks for the anglo-fying of the text. :o) --CE (talk) 15:44, 24 November 2012 (UTC)