Talk:Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013/Sources/Video

My YouTube playlist: Brown Moses has a list with 120 videos. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 18:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL5WYCTqm6QUFEgCRhTevaLEr2inzR7jZM
 * http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLPC0Udeof3T4NORTjYmPoNCHn2vCByvYG

The earliest original videos seem to be coming from the Kvrbtna Coordinating Committee (تنسيقية كفربطنا): I have no idea where "Kvrbtna" is, but searching for the word in Arabic only brings up massacre pictures and videos. (The logo on the videos says it is Kafar Batna City.) -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:41, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * http://www.youtube.com/user/syriafredoom/videos
 * Kafar Batna is here on the southern outskirts of Irbin (there's a "Al Fateh Hospital" central in the markation). The two places given by the reddit collection are at least two kilometers north-west of that in Jobar. The mentioned Ain Terma and Zamalka are in between.--CE (talk) 20:25, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * Excellent start here, Petri, thanks. No time left today. 120 videos? Will not be watching most of those. More soon. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:49, 21 August 2013 (UTC)


 * The Visual Evidence of a Chemical Attack in Syria Is Overwhelming and Disturbing – Dashiell Bennett / The Atlantic Wire, August 21, 2013
 * The government has officially denied using any such weapons, but the United Nations inspection team that arrived in the country on Sunday (to investigate previous claims of chemical weapon attacks) has been denied access to the site. As a result, the images below are the only evidence we have of the devastation — and there is a lot of evidence.

The Feinstein Package
Apparently a set of 13 videos hosted on senate.gov and collected by Diane Feinstein to convince Representatives to sign up for war. --CE (talk) 03:26, 10 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Did anyone compile a YouTube playlist of these? -- Petri Krohn (talk) 05:40, 10 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks, I never did get how to view this package list when it was mentioned in Dennis O'Brien's report. Now I don't feel up to sitting through it. It deserves a video-by-video debunk somewhere, with Youtube links just part of that. Someone should do that. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:46, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * I already decompiled the link list here: Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013/Sources/Video. The first thing to do would be to find the original postings. Posting links to reposted SHAMSNN videos is testament to the level of research the US team has done – nil! -- Petri Krohn (talk) 17:51, 11 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's much easier to work with the individual vids. In this table the Feinstein Package is Vid #000, and the individual component videos are #001-0013.  Table of individual video links.--Pierpont (talk) 21:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

In situ videos
After abandoning my earlier working hypothesis of an chemical weapons rocket attack I have started collecting in situ evidence here. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * الريف الدمشقي عربين حالة هلع بين المدينين وإستخراج شهيدة طفلة من تحت الأنقاض 14 8 2013 (Damascus countryside Irbeen panic among debtors and extraction martyr girl from under the rubble 14 8 2013) – Ibreen Media Office, Aug 14, 2013
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCy6Fp0uAwo (field hospital)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vSLFE4W0nw (mass grave, closeup)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCqGGxkNZBU (dead chicken)
 * تغطية للمجزرة الكيماوية الكبرى في الغوطة الشرقية مع ناشطين مجلس قيادة الثورة في ريف دمشق (Coverage of the massacre of the major chemical in East Gouta with activists of the Revolutionary Command Council in Damascus) – Aug 21, 2013
 * Long video, 21 min, morgue scenes, interviews, street scene at 20 min.
 * دوما::عدد كبير من الشهداء جراء الاختناق بالغازات السامة (Always :: large number of martyrs by asphyxiation with poison gas) – outside morgue scene
 * الغوطة الشرقية 21-8-2013 أب وأم في وداع أطفالهم (East Gouta 08/21/2013 father and mother in their children's farewell)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4cWrx4zjvA (doctor)
 * http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMNvmICoUmk (bodies outside Kafar Batna hospital)
 * الغوطة الشرقية 22-8-2013 أطفال مجهولي الهوية تم العثور عليهم من ضحايا الكيماوي (East Gouta 22/08/2013 unidentified children were found victims of chemical) – Ibreen CC, August 23, 2013
 * Three badly decomposed bodies are dumped in grave. We are not shown where they were found. Evidently not in their beds, as they are fully dressed. Update Same 3 children as described above in the house with the planted bodies. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 23:38, 29 August 2013 (UTC)
 * هاااااام للإعلام # الغوطة الشرقية # شاهد عيان يروي لنا ما جرى لحظة القصف بالمواد الكيماوية السامة 2 (Haaaaaam Media # East Gouta # eyewitness tells us what happened to the moment of the bombing of toxic chemicals 2) – Ibreen Media Office, August 21,2013
 * عربين 21 8 2013 قصف جنوني وهستيري عنيف بالمدفعية الثقيلة وراجمات الصواريخ على المدينة (Orbin 21 8 2013 bombing of a violent crazy and hysterical with heavy artillery and rocket launchers on the city) – Ibreen Media Office, August 20,2013
 * بعض الحيوانات النافقة نتيجة استخدام السلاح الكيماوي في زملكا - الغوطة الشرقية (Some dead animals as a result of the use of chemical weapons in Zamalka - East Gouta) – KafarSousah Revolt, Aug 27, 2013
 * dead sheep, shell remains
 * جولة مع قوى الأمن العام للبحث عن مصابين بالسلاح الكيماوي في زملكا - الغوطة الشرقية (Tour with public security forces to search for people with chemical weapons in Zamalka - East Gouta) – KafarSousah Revolt, Aug 27, 2013
 * one decomposed body
 * بعض الحيوانات النافقة نتيجة استخدام السلاح الكيماوي في زملكا - الغوطة الشرقية (Some dead animals as a result of the use of chemical weapons in Zamalka - East Gouta) – KafarSousah Revolt, Aug 27, 2013
 * برومو للمجزرة الكيماوية الكبرى في الغوطة الشرقية HD (Promo for major chemical massacre in East Gouta HD) – c.m.o algota, Aug 27, 2013
 * مؤثر جدا أب يجد بناته بين ضحايا مجزرة الكيماوي في الغوطة الشرقية (Father finds his daughters among the victims of the massacre in East Gota chemical) – SyrRev15Mar2011, Aug 24, 2013 (repost)
 * Morgue scene, real looking emotions.
 * فوق أشلاء وجثث الأطفال رسالة مؤلمة من أحد المجاهدين للأمة الإسلامية والقادة العرب (Above the remains of the bodies of children a painful message from one of the Mujahideen of the Islamic nation and the Arab leaders) – hadi Hdhod, Aug 20, 2013
 * Dead children outside, ISIS member? agitating. (With translations here)

Outside scenes

 * See also Talk:Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013/Locations

There are a few videos of wounded being treated outside in the dark. Some are from the Kafr Batna hospital.

Here are 4 from "jsreenalhura" – تنسيقية بلدة جسرين الغوطة الشرقية ("Coordinating Committee of the town of Two Bridges in East Gouta") associated with Jisreen Revolution on Facebook.
 * Some cases of people with chemical bombardment 21-8
 * A large number of martyrs chemotherapy East Gouta 21 8 2013
 * Hundreds of cases of suffocation and martyrs as a result of the chemical bombardment
 * Section is very important and influential child martyr chemical bombardment and a letter from a paramedic
 * Dead baby girl brought by car to a body collection point on a street in daylight. (I may be possible to identify the spot.)


 * This is an odd scene. The guy in the blue stripes is the star and very upset, but he is not likely the kid's dad.  This guy is standing with the crowd when the car pulls up.  The driver seems to disappear.  The balding passenger gets back in the car.  The girl appears cyanotic, but lividity has not set in.  Hard to tell whether rigor has.  Most of the child victims I'm seeing have good color.  Victims lying in the street are alive and have very good color.  Judging from the absence of sharp shadows, looks like fairly early morning?--Pierpont (talk) 21:25, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Hm. Definitely a blue face, and that look of trying hard to breathe at the end. Morning, perhaps mid, but sun low enough it's not shining down into this alley (hence no shadows inside a shadow ;) ). No expert, but I might see lividity, or some separating of light and pink areas in her arms, as if she's been upright like this for a bit. Laying still seems to be the best way for that to set in and she's not still, so signs would be muddled, right? That would mean dead at least 6 hours. --Caustic Logic (talk) 23:12, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Eyewitnesses

 * شهادة لأحد مصابي الكيماوي خلال انتظار اللجنة. (The testimony of a chemical victim during the waiting Committee.) – Damascus MO, Aug 28, 2013
 * While waiting for the exit of the Committee of the medical point in East Gouta, we interviewed this witness and he told us what he saw during the CW strike, and that he heard strange noises when the rockets.


 * Man affected by Chemical Weapons attack on Damascus – ANAChannelEng, Aug 25, 2013
 * A man in his late 20s is seen in this video with the after effects of a chemical weapons attack in the Madamiyah area of Damascus, this comes after an attack that took place on the 21st of August 2013 on civilian populated areas of a number of suburbs of Damascus.
 * Family killed, but unfortunately this eyewitness cannot say a word. I suspect this guy has always been dumb. Looks like he has just been recovered from a mental institution. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:15, 30 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Maybe he is suffering from Kuru! -- Petri Krohn (talk) 22:17, 6 November 2013 (UTC)


 * توثيق توزيع السلات الغذائية على المتضررين من القصف الكيماوي على زملكا 25-08-2013 (Document the distribution of food baskets to those affected by the chemical bombardment of Zamalka 08/25/2013) – hadi hdhod, Aug 26, 2013
 * I guess the man saw something as he is getting the goodies.
 * هام جدا _ مجزرة الغوطة شهادة من أحد الناجين من المجزرة (Very important – massacre Gota certificate from one of the survivors of the massacre) – MrERBEEN2011, Aug 22, 2013
 * أحد الإصابات و هو يشرح ما تعرض له نتيجة الغازات السامة 21-8-2013 (One of injuries and he explains what he suffered as a result of toxic gases 08/21/2013) – amjd hsan, Harsta Information Office, Aug 21, 2013
 * "One of injuries and the effects of exposure to chemical and toxic substances phenomenon him and explain what is felt by of Ghabash in vision and symptoms of exposure to chemical"
 * إصابات الكيماوي بين النساء والأطفال وطفلة تدعي على بشار الأسد رغم تعرضها للكيماوي 21-8 (Chemical injuries among women and children and a child claims Bashar al-Assad, despite exposure to chemical 8/21/2013) – amjd hsan, Harsta Information Office, Aug 21, 2013
 * child answers two questions
 * طفل فقد عائلته بالكامل في مجزرة الكيماوي في الغوطة الشرقية ولم يبق له أحد 21-08-2013 (Child has his entire family in the massacre of chemotherapy in East Gouta not left him a 21/08/2013) – FreeSyrRev, August 21

Father Reunited with Son
(not all to read, just in case anyone was about to - Petri posts these just for effect - a lot of damn people pimped this story) --Caustic Logic (talk) 15:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)
 * مؤثر جدا لحظة لقاء اب بابنه بعد ان فقده جراء قصف الكيماوي على زملكا 25-08-2013 (A very touching moment to meet up with his son after he lost due to chemical bombing of Zamalka 25/08/2013) – hadi hdhod, Aug 26, 2013 (mirror)
 * Man, possibly a rebel fighter has been affected by something, but the home does not look like the place of the attack.
 * Sources:
 * The first truly heartwarming video from Syria in a long time – MAX FISHER. Washington Post, August 27, 2013
 * Heartbreaking video shows the moment a Syrian father collapsed in tears as he is reunited with young son he thought had been killed in chemical attack – SNEJANA FARBEROV, Daily Mail, 28 August 2013
 * Father From Zamalka, Syria, Reunites With Son Who Was Presumed Dead During Chemical Attacks (VIDEO) – Huffington Post, 08/27/2013
 * Syrian Father Reunited With Toddler Son He Believed Had Died During Chemical Attacks (VIDEO) – Sara C Nelson, Huffington Post UK, 08/28/2013
 * This Video Of A Syrian Father Reunited With The Son He Thought Was Dead Will Bring You To Tears – PAUL SZOLDRA, Business Insider
 * VIDEO: The moment a young Syrian father is reunited with toddler son he thought was dead – LEE MORAN / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS, AUGUST 28, 2013,
 * Overjoyed father reunites with young son after believing him killed in Syrian attack - David K. Li, New York Post, 28, 2013
 * Syria crisis: Watch heartbreaking moment father is reunited with toddler son feared killed in chemical attacks – Jessica Best, Daily Mirror, Aug 28, 2013
 * VIDEO: Syrian father reunited with baby son thought killed in chemical attack – Jerusalem Post, 08/28/2013
 * Syria: Father Reunited With His 'Dead' Son – Sky News, 28 August 2013
 * Video of emotional reunion of Syrian father and son goes viral – Harriet Alexander, The Telegraph, 28 Aug 2013
 * Syrian father and son 'reunited' after chemical weapons attack - video – Reuters, The Guardian, 29 August 2013
 * Syrian father reunited with the son he thought was dead in emotional video footage – ADAM WITHNALL, The Independent, 28 August 2013
 * Father and son reunite after alleged chemical attacks – BBC, 28 August 2013
 * WATCH: Heartbreaking moment father is reunited with son he feared dead in chemical attack – Jaymi McCann, Express, August 28, 2013
 * Syrian father reunites with son he thought was killed in chemical attack – CBS News, AUGUST 27, 2013]
 * Video: Syrian father reunited with son feared dead in chemical attack – The National, August 29, 2013
 * Syria: Father reunited with young son he thought had died in last week’s chemical weapons attack – Metro, 28 Aug 2013
 * Stunning Video: Syrian Father Reunited With Son He Thought Dead – Relevant magazine, AUGUST 29, 2013
 * Video of Syrian father reunited with son who he thought had been killed – Irish Daily Star
 * Video shows father and son reunited after Syria massacre – News.com.au, AUGUST 28, 2013
 * Video: Heartwarming moment when Syrian father reunited with son – Anne Sewell, Digital Journal, Aug 29, 2013
 * ''The video was first discovered and published on Tuesday by Max Fisher, of The Washington Post, and has drawn over two million views so far.
 * Video of Hope: Syrian Father Reunited with Son, He Believed was Killed in Chemical Attack Now Viral – Esther Tanquintic-Misa, International business Times, August 29, 2013
 * Father and son: Syrian reunited with child presumed killed in attacks – Al Arabiya, 29 August 2013
 * Video: Heartbreaking moment Syrian dad is reunited with the toddler he feared was dead – Independent.ie, 28 AUGUST 2013

Exposed here?

 * Syrian Father Reunited with Son Story is a HOAX - EXPOSED – NevaehWest, Nov 6, 2013


 * I should have looked at this sooner. I figured it was fake, but there are possibilities for real reunions related to the fake chemical attack or not. Looking now, that guy is messed up or acts that way. The recognition part has me wondering, but they don't have remotely similar complexions. So I still suspect it's fake, but I don't accept this argument that it's proven. I don't think that "father" is Sheikh Kamal. They look a little similar, but the nose is different enough and facial hair pattern is no match. And as noted the weight difference, besides the strung out guy's finer features. Also, the praying guys matched to others are all weak matches or not matches. The woman bringing the baby is interesting clue, but this line of analysis can hardly ever be strong enough to go on like that. --Caustic Logic (talk) 15:41, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I agree, the Kamal match is far from sure and some others are rather non-matches. One guy one the right in the praying video has a full full beard with large nose while next to no beard at all and a rather piggy nose in the "reunion" video. Not explained by "hair grown". --CE (talk) 15:48, 30 December 2013 (UTC)


 * I have not yet looked into the "Sheikh Kamal" sources. Hadi Hdhod is howevert an important source of CW attack videos. If were to be proven a hoaxer, it would blow a big hole in the rebel narrative. I looked at his other videos to see if I could identify any of the characters. The gray-hared man in a white striped shirt also appears in the other video from August 25th. He seems to be some kind of "fixer" on both videos. I think we need some geolocating. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:09, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In this video of delivery of "food baskets" from August 12th the shop in Saqba is located here on Google Maps. Note the intersection with the four palm trees. This location explains why Hadi Hdhod would be at the Saqba school on August 21st recording the Islamist preacher. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 00:46, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
 * In the "bread basket" video the camera is at the central mosque in Zamalka at 2:52 (600 meters north of UMLACA 197). There is a water tower in the background in the "Reunited" video at 2:05 -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:12, 31 December 2013 (UTC)

UN investigators

 * الغوطة الشرقية 29-8-2013 تجميع بعض الأدلة التي حصلت عليها لجنة التفتيش 1 (East Gouta 29/08/2013 compilation of some of the evidence obtained by the Inspection Committee 1)
 * الغوطة الشرقية 29-8-2013 تجميع بعض الأدلة التي حصلت عليها لجنة التفتيش( 2 ) (East Gouta 29/08/2013 compilation of some of the evidence obtained by the Inspection Committee 2)
 * الغوطة الشرقية 29-8-2013 موكب لجنة التفتيش برفقة شرطة الغوطة الشرقية والجيش الحر (East Gouta 29/08/2013 procession Inspection Commission, accompanied by the East Gouta police and army free)
 * Ibreen Media Office
 * لقاء صحفي مع قائد لواء أثناء زيارة فريق التحقيق الدولي. (Interview with brigade commander during the visit of the international investigation team) – Damascus MO, Aug 29, 2013
 * Abu Sobhi Taha, commander of the Martyrs Brigade always. Giebna on some of the questions during the visit of the UN investigation team to chemical weapons. (Did we see this guy in Houla?)
 * مراقبي اللجنة الدولية يأخذون عينات من مكان سقوط صاروخ كيماوي في الغوطة الشرقية (International Committee monitors take samples of chemical rocket place in the Eastern Gota) – Jobar Revo, Aug 28, 2013
 * UN team take samples near "thermobaric" rocket. One building in the background has extensive blast damage.
 * Actual Video of UN Weapons Inspectors Examining Syrian Chemical Weapon Rockets – Washington's Blog, August 31, 2013

Brown Moses Playlists

 * August 26-27
 * August 28
 * August 29

Noirette via Moon of Alabama
I ask publicly for proof the evidence is more than staged. See Talk:Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013. I got one response from Noirette via Moom of Alabama. I have collected her remarks here: Talk:Alleged Chemical Attack, August 21, 2013/Noirette -- Petri Krohn (talk) 19:58, 31 August 2013 (UTC) – updated 02:41, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Lopforum List
Recently updated list of videos

List of Videos --Charles Wood (talk) 23:49, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
 * From there: "The following 45 videos & 2 images document 776 victims of the August 21, East Ghouta & Moadamiya chemical weapons attack." Awesome! To have done this work and made it available to the public is the main thing, very cool. To have it done and brought right here by a member, cooler yet. --Caustic Logic (talk) 00:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)


 * And a question: That's a higher number than I thought, but believable. The initial 5-600 estimates aren't as solid as I thought. The VDC's 600-ish has grown to over 900 names, for example (929 - I need to note this in the right spot...). I'm curious how thorough you think you were to excluding duplicates? Usually whole batches will be unique, but... --Caustic Logic (talk) 00:35, 5 February 2014 (UTC)