Talk:Khunayfis Massacre

Around November 7/8, 2013, eight Alawite civilians were reportedly killed brutally in a village in Hama. Two men, two women, and four children from the same family were the reported victims, with al-Qaeda connected terrorists deemed responsible, according the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights activist network. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

SOHR, Nov. 8
 * Hama province: The ISIS executed 4 children 2 women and 2 men who were picking olives in their farm in Khneifees village, near Salamiya city. they were civilians from a Muslim alewife [sic] background. Clashes took place by the villages of Taloul al-Hamr and Khneifis between rebels and ISIS against regime forces and the Popular Committees. 4 children died from an explosion from the remnants of regime bombardment on the village of Rasm al-Ahmar.

Location: Khunayfis on Wikimapaia, just a few km southwest of Salamiya. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There's a Rasm al-Ahmar actually in Idlib or Aleppo province, per Wikimpaia, but this one is specified by VDC as also being in or near Salamiya. --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Harbinafsah Parallel
Interestingly, the CDV may record these deaths, on the 7th as from "Huribnefseh" instead of Khneifees. Six martyrs from here on the 7th - two adult males, an adult female, three children, the kids named Bakour and the adults not. Another Bakour boy (with a video) is listed as dying the next day. All killed by "shelling" explained: "Several civilians martyred in a massacre caused by the missile shelling of the regime army stationed in Buhooth checkpoint in Jidreen village." --Caustic Logic (talk) 14:29, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
 * There is a Jidrin 4 km west of Harbinafsah, on the road to Aqrab. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 20:51, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * Good call. I meant to look that up but forgot. Glad I left something for you. :) --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:37, 13 November 2013 (UTC)


 * Actually, the total is at least 8, with three men for the same number but different breakdown - three men, 1 woman, and 4 children vs. two men, two women, and four children:


 * Ahmad Ali Shahoud AM
 * Omer Abd al-Kareem Shahoud AM
 * Omar Abdul Karem AM (clearly related to the above and thus to both)
 * Yumna Jasem al-Ezzo AF (perhaps a wife and mother, often listed by maiden name, but that's not specified)
 * Warde Mustafa al-Bakour CM
 * Ahmad Mustafa al-Bakour CM
 * Qamar Yehya al-Bakour CF (all 3, no ages or further info given)
 * Khaled Moustafa al-Bakour CM, age 3. "Martyred due to his wounds sustained by shelling" on the following day. video included - a woman holds him while a man films - lightly but evenly scarred body shown totally from the waist down, wrapped knee, head totally bandaged from the nose up. He's conscious, alert, calling for his mama but fairly calm. He seems here well on the way to (physical) recovery; I don't see any good reason he'd turn around and die within 24 hours. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:38, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

That town "Huribnefseh" is locatable using the Arabic spelling ( حربنفسه ) from a CDV entry rendered in Arabic (by switching the /en/ to /ar/) as Harbinafsah on Wikimapia. It's 34 kilometers due west of Khunayfis, on the other side of Rastan and on the north shore of lake Rastan. That's nowhere near close enough to be the same place, but close enough to be related. And the near-total victim-type match would be rather concidental for the same area and about the same day. Could it be these people were kidnapped from Khunayfis and killed by their captors in Harbinafsah? That's not how the SOHR's original story sounded. If this is just a coincidence, it means yet another massacre of Alawites the CDV heard or said nothing about. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:38, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

Facebook page: شبكة اخبار بلدة حربنفسه بريف حماه (News Network town Hrbnevsh, Brive Hama) (Hereafter NNH) A number of relevant posts: ''Hrbnevsh 07/11/2013 Martyrs town Hrbnevsh, notaries yet Martyr Ahmed Ali شحود, Martyr Omar Abdel Karim شحود, Martyr girl Rose Mustafa البكور Martyr child Ahmed Mustafa البكور, Martyred child moon Yahya البكور Martyr, God willing starboard Jassim attribution We ask Allah to accept them martyrs''
 * November 7 - early victim list, 7 entries (Google translate, uncorrected)
 * November 8 - a video
 * November 9 - A final NNH report (excerpt, Google translated):
 * The beginning of what has happened in the town Hrbnevsh, first on 07.11.2013 is one of the most heinous incidents and Ofezaha that occurred in the history of the town and this incident is the third massacre in the town have been able to document 8 - Artqo Martyrs by the indiscriminate shelling that targeted residential neighborhoods

Apparently loyalist sources claim the local National Defense Forces (NDF) killed ten militants and wounded 20 others in Hrbnevsh, who I guess were actually supposed to be these civilians. And I guess the "mercenaries" (NDF) also claimed that one explosion at least put out "heavy white smoke (indicating The presence of chemical weapons in it)," an analysis NNH calls absurd, which it does sound. The report mentions victim specifics:
 * 4 children of البكور family eldest does not exceed ten and couple of family Cahud not have anything to do with neither arms nor terrorism and a woman from the family of attribution was parked in front of her and another man from the nearby village of Kisen.

(Kissin on Wikimapia - 3.5 km due south across the lake.) Report closes with a reminder that children are not "terrorists or insurgents" and then poetic defiance in the face of this repression. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:38, 12 November 2013 (UTC)

To add: a suggested video CDV doesn't have of "Hama Hrbnevsh martyred child moon bakeware 8 11 2013 Warning very tough video" Moon = Qamar, and Bakeware = Bakour, of course. Age = I don't know, 5-ish. Strangely, like her little brother we've seen, her head is wrapped from the mouth up. '''Two kids and zero faces seen so far. Is that related to the possibility these identities used aren't their real ones?''' --Caustic Logic (talk) 13:02, 12 November 2013 (UTC)
 * To emphasize: This wrapping of a whole face happens rarely in my experience watching lots of videos and photos. These two instances in the same family probably almost doubles the cases I've seen so far (Khaled Abu Saleh presided over the only other I can recall instantly - it was faked). Usually if there's a horrible head injury under there, it won't be under anything except a camera, which they will all but shove into the kid's brain. This time they're hiding something and it ain't any injury. --Caustic Logic (talk) 12:37, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

Shelling Khunayfis
Perhaps not coincidentally, this same obscure locale did surface in recent days as a place rebels had attacked. In the first mention yet in the war that I can find, Khneifees (as SOHR gave it) appears in a Google search using the Wikimapia spelling adopted here. Various references to "11 09 13 Homs | FSA, Ahfaad AlRasool, Shell Khunayfis Regime Post" refer to this video of that name. 0:38, it shows black-clad jihadists at a ruined building in a filed. Having arrived on motorcycles, they now fire mortar shells towards some (olive grove?) in the distance. Both posted and dated November 9, this is - as always - a no-later-than time. It could very well be November 7 or even earlier, but presumably not much earlier. And it could be the 9th, with other days of shelling and attacks preceding it. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

So ... rebels did attack this same town the eight Alawites were reportedly executed in - the same number of people winds up, visuals-free, in the rebel database as dying from shelling in a different town, that might be the responsible battalion's home base. --Caustic Logic (talk) 11:57, 13 November 2013 (UTC)