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Some speculation and analysis here: -- Petri Krohn (talk) 01:18, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
 * https://www.facebook.com/max.vanderwerff.9/posts/787897087935789

QZ8501
From Indonesia National SAR official briefing:
 * http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/553569-air-asia-indonesia-lost-contact-surabaya-singapore-2.html#post8799172

(all times local)
 * 05:36 QZ8501 departed Juanda airport, Surabaya
 * 06:12 Contacts Jakarta center 125.70 at FL320, requests weather deviation left of M635 airway and climb to FL380
 * 06:16 QZ8501 still observed on radar
 * 06:17 Radar contact lost. Radio contact lost. Only ADS-B signal remained.
 * 06:18 All contact lost. Only flight plan view on radar screen.
 * 07:08 ATC declares INCERFA (aircraft position uncertain)
 * 07:28 ATC declares ALERTFA (emergency alert)
 * 07:55 ATC declares DETRESFA (emergency distress)

ADS-B signal remained 1 minute after radar contact was lost. Same thing as MH17. Plane is destroyed, but transponder continues on original flight path for one extra minute! Only two possibilities for this. -- Petri Krohn (talk) 07:47, 29 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Flightradar24 is lying. Claims to have real ADS-B data picked up "off-the-air" but is in fact reporting extrapolated data.
 * 2) Plane is shadowed by a stealth fighter that is sending spoofed ADS-B data. Fighter pilot is slow to turn of spoof transmitter.